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What to do about healthcare

What works well in American health care:

  1. Innovation: Medicine is a major source of foreign exchange as people from all over the world come to America for treatment. 30 years ago, the Harvard hospitals had at least three large hotels for patients and their families. I would bet they have more today. Only Switzerland is our current equal at punching above its weight; and not coincidentally they also have private health care. If the world has to depend on tiny Switzerland for most medical advances, advances will crawl. Joseph Lister doesn’t live in England anymore.


  2. Disease outcomes: Basically if you pick any disease, Americans will fare better than virtually any other country

  3. Contentment: Most people (polls say 68%) are happy with their medical insurance.

  4. Everybody has access to good medical care, whether through insurance, cash, the ER, Medicaid, the VA, the BIA, or Medicare.



What works poorly in American medical care:


  1. Cost: 16% of GDP is an enormous cost. However, medical care is a preferred good; i.e. when people have more money, they will spend a greater proportion of it on medical care. Food is opposite.

  2. Life expectancy: Life expectancy is mediocre in America for such a wealthy country. I find this an interesting conundrum. Is it possible that because the UK spends relatively little on the elderly (they have closed all of their geriatric practices), that they gain superior life expectancy by spending medical resources preferentially upon the young?

  3. Over-reliance on emergency rooms: Many people, particularly the poor and illegal aliens, get primary care from the highly-trained experts at the ER. This is a waste of a valuable resource.
    Malpractice: There is far too much malpractice in America. Would a single-payer system allow better monitoring of doctors, nurses, hospitals and their results?

  4. Malpractice suits: Doctors are sued far too often. They win about 7 of 8 suits, which implies that 6 of 8 should never have been filed. Some estimates suggest that malpractice suits create 10% of total medical costs – mostly through the practice of defensive medicine (which BTW is itself malpractice, but no doctor will ever get sued for it). Every major insurance company in the country has abandoned the writing of med mal; all coverage now comes from bed pan mutuals.

  5. Data: Because of HIPA and inertia, doctors have attenuated access to the medical histories of patients. I am substantially certain that this costs lives in ERs where each patient arrives as a tabula rasa..

  6. Lack of access to insurance: In many states, it is impossible to get coverage for pre-existing conditions. Others simply cannot afford it.

  7. Bickering with insurance companies over whether a procedure is covered.

  8. The dread Medicaid spend down: Everybody in America has access to Medicaid if poor enough. If you become seriously ill, you have to spend all of your assets to become eligible for Medicaid. As might be expected, people cheat enthusiastically. People hate the idea that they must forfeit the accomplishments of a lifetime for access to Medicaid just because they happen to fall ill.

  9. An extremely expensive and time-consuming process for new drug approval: This inflates drug prices and prevents many people from receiving the best medicine in existence. As I understand it, the FDA basically never turns down a drug, but just asks for more tests. At some point, the pharmaceutical decides not to put more resources into a drug. I presume this course of action prevents litigation for the FDA.

  10. Admin costs for routine care: I have read that clerical costs generate 30-40% of the cost of routine visits to a physician. My internist’s group practice has greater clerical than medical staff. And of course the insurance companies have still more clerical staff paid for by my fees.



There is another odd feature of American medical care: access is inchoate. In the UK or Canada, access is rationed, and the only way to get better care than others is political pull. In the third world, the only way to get higher quality care is money, which frequently means flying to the great medical centers of the U.S. In America, some people get superior care through pull (I once did for two sons when my FIL ran cancer treatment at Harvard); some people do so through money – the very wealthy check into clinics for two day physicals each year; some people get superior care through luck where they happen upon a superior doctor. The randomness of this process creates anxiety, but I would contend it a virtue.

By sheer numbers, the current system seems to need serious change – 11 listed faults to 4 listed virtues, although value-weighting might vary the result a bit.

Obamacare:

It is probably a misnomer to call it Obamacare. He has just laid out broad parameters and asked Congress to fill in the structure. However, he probably should have given some thought to whether his promises were possible:
No rationing
Everybody can keep their plan.
But lots more people get insured.
There may or may not be a government option.
No more money spent.

Self-evidently a unicorn.

Obamacare is substantially modeled upon Romneycare in MA, which is a financial disaster. The incentives line up such that it doesn’t make financial sense to purchase insurance until you are sick. Increasing numbers of Baystaters do just that; and the system gets fewer healthy insureds and more sick insureds; and costs sky. Obamacare deals with this problem by requiring people to purchase insurance.

IMO (and not so humble), this requirement is unconstitutional under the 10th amendment as well as the third through the 5th. Such requirement exceeds enumerated federal powers. The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that insurance is not interstate commerce. Litigation will tell.

Enforcement comes via the IRS who will make a judgment as to whether you have adequate insurance each year. Since the IRS currently only considers the top half of the population and only carefully considers the top tenth, such an effort will strain the already stretched revenue-collecting capacity. I am sure that the rest of us will find conversations with revenue agents about our insurance wildly amusing.

Obamacare has some cost-cutting. They claim there is a half-trillion in Medicare waste. This number boggles. The government administers Medicare on the cheap – iirc only 6% goes to admin. I am certain that if the President pours more money into claims-handling, savings will outstrip costs. But they cannot get anywhere near a half trillion by cutting out fraud and waste.

Before Sarah Palin spoke of death panels, the bill clearly intended to have the government choose to cut off some care to the elderly (and others of lesser social worth). If Obamacare passes, such rationing looms inevitable in a few years, as it exists today in the UK (Brits name their death panels NICE).

Forcing healthy uninsureds into the system will pay for some of this. While some middle class families choose to omit insurance, the biggest group of insurance slackers is men in their 20’s. Men in their 20’s consume almost no medical care (because of the complexities of the female reproductive system, the same is not true of young women). When I was 22, I went in for a physical because I hadn’t seen a doctor in six years. The doc inquired as to why I had come in, heard my answer, told me I had wasted my time and money, and instructed me to return in a decade. Because of community rating where no account is taken of age or sex, young men are materially overcharged for health insurance. It is no wonder so many choose not to purchase. Young men provide vigor and creativity, win essentially all Nobel Prizes (although not awarded until later in life), fight our wars, misbehave outrageously, fill our prisons, and swell the poverty rolls. As a group, they have little in material resources – the joys of youth are adequate recompense. Obamacare envisions extracting large resources from this group. I do not believe, especially given social security taxes, that the world will be fairer if we extract still more resources from the young to cushion the elderly. I would prefer that 20-somethings were pouring their resources into babies.

Advocates of Obamacare have pointed to preventive care – a healthier country will cost less. Unfortunately, preventive care costs far more money than it saves. I do not deny the usefulness of preventive care, but the payoff comes entirely from better health and not from cash.

Electronic medical record-keeping is also touted as cost-saving after start-up. The Republicans have poo-pooed this, and savings in clerical costs will only be a trickle – largely offset by the clerical cost of forcing more people into the insurance rolls. (later I will discuss why I feel the Republicans underestimate the advantages here.).

I believe that our President felt that he could promise broadly, ram it through Congress, and provide the bad news later. He felt he had co-opted the Republican party by lining up big pharma and the health insurers behind Obamacare. He apparently didn’t realize that the Republican party has never been the party of big business. The larger the business, the more it resembles and becomes an arm of the government. Incidentally the bill includes a $10 billion giveaway to shore up under-funded union health plans – the Comgress apparently felt that a little something for everybody important would make the sausage palatable.

When the ordinary people of America looked into the provisions of Obamacare (and an amazing number of people have actually read the thousand odd pages—- not I), they became alarmed. Santa Clause stories have lost their impact.

Senator Baucus has thrown out the idea of a tax on Cadillac plans. I currently pay about 16k per year and would have to pay an additional tax of about $3500 under the Baucus plan. I would obviously drop the insurance if it were to pass. The revenue is fantasy. Senator Rockefeller has pointed out in high dudgeon that health insurance for coal miners will inevitably fall into the Cadillac category because of the inherent health hazards. I presume firemen too. I hope this idea fails to start.

THE REPUBLICAN ALTERNATIVE:

The Republicans have put forth an alternative for years. The basic pieces are:
Allow purchase of insurance across state lines. I could cut my costs by 75% if I didn’t have to insure for chiropractics, acupuncture( I believe), sex-mutilation surgery, drying-out facilities, and any other idiocy from the New York legislature.

Tort Reform
Also include community-rating, insurance of pre-existing conditions, Medicare efficiencies and electronic medical records.
Encourage Health Savings Account where people pay routine expenses and only consult insurance for major difficulties.
Something like health stamps to assist the poor.

This proposal has major merits. It is clearly constitutional. The interstate commerce clause will allow Congress to permit cross-state-line insurance purchase.

The Republicans have however not really discussed the major problems. The state regulatory system and particularly New York’s has admirably prevented insurance insolvencies and ensured that claims are paid in the event of insolvency. If I purchase Montana insurance, will the New York state guaranty fund be obliged to pay my claims if my insurer folds? We can solve this problem by allowing New York to regulate for solvency but no further.

You can make money in insurance in several ways. You can have lower sales and underwriting costs than the competition. You can have superior investment results. You can have lower losses. You can charge higher premiums for the risk. As the proposal essentially bans underwriting, there will be no major cost-savings here. As insurers pay medical insurance losses within the year, there can be no investment windfall – particularly as insurance capital must take a truncated return by sitting in short safe investments. Higher premiums will be throat-cutting as people flock to cheaper carriers. Insurers must pay their losses—our medical bills. Where then can the genius of the free enterprise system assert itself?

Tort reform will not happen with a Congress and Presidency of Democrats. Elections matter.

WHAT MIGHT GET DONE?

Electronic record-keeping could come. While some clerical savings might eventuate, the big savings would come from better medical data. Assume each person had a website with his full medical records included. People would no longer write out their medical history for each appointment with a new doctor (and at my age and infirmity, the history is long and numbingly boring) – but simply provide a link. The histories would excel, because they would not be captive to peoples’ memories. And ER doctors could look not just at test levels but at current tests taken in extremis as compared to prior tests in good health for clues as to sources of problems.

But the big payoff could come on the aggregate level. The data would live anonymously in a huge database of all medical treatments and results.

Medical costs have funny shapes. In the 1940’s, the extrapolation showed that TB would bankrupt the country from the cost of sanitaria. Antibiotics brought this cost to near-zero. Pictures of children in iron lungs break one’s heart – and also cost deeply. Drs. Salk and Sabin drove this cost and suffering to near-nothing. Malaria drained some of America’s people of vitality or life; we eradicated it. Smallpox is no longer even vaccinated for.

Costs for an illness steadily increase and then fall off the table when the remedy appears. Believe in the human mind.

If this data were aggregated, it could be culled. Perhaps (to be absurd), athlete’s foot cures gonorrhea. We could find these correlations. Medicine is practiced differently regionally. I once read of a procedure (probably the c-section) which was resorted to three times as frequently in Minnesota as in Texas. Now, either the Texas doctors are correct, the Minnesota doctors are correct, or both are correct (or in). This last could occur because of the genetic and behavioral differences between a largely Scandinavian population (primitive, phlegmatic, and a troll at heart) as compared to the generic white, Black, and Hispanic population of Texas. Gold can be found.

The costs of new drugs could plummet with fewer tests. If data existed on the population effects of a drug (as compared to gathered test populations), researchers could omit current late-stage, and very expensive tests. If a drug for a relatively harmless condition – say the runny nose – kills 0.05% of its recipients this drug is not worthwhile. Such effect would not be discovered in clinical trials of a few hundred people – but pharmaceuticals and the FDA could see it quickly on a population basis. It cannot be seen now until the lawsuits pile up. Both research costs and harms would fall.

Advocates have raised privacy questions – why should my dentist see my gynecologist’s findings? I would allow limitations by each person as to who could see what. I would also note that I would place no such limitations upon my own medical information – infections in one part of the body affect others; and gynecological information could indeed inform a dentist’s treatment and vice-versa. This system would provide far better information than the privacy walls of today – and information trumps.

While the medical research community has substantial statistical expertise, the insurance business has far more – particularly when looking at broad swaths of data. This would prove the competitive edge between insurers – locating the more effective treatment. The most successful workers comp insurers concentrate on getting people healthy and back to work rather than nickel and diming them. It could even lure traditional insurers back to health insurance or med mal. It would certainly allow far quicker pinpointing and curing of incompetent doctors. And the free market system will work more intelligently and humanely than any committee of experts; i.e. the death panels.

I cannot reasonably value this effect; I believe it gargantuan.

In some states (and most certainly not New York), malls have set up kiosks manned by nurse-practitioners for cash on the barrelhead routine consultations. These omit the admin costs (30 to 40% for insurance) of small dollar medicine. Nurse-practitioners have attenuated expertise, but enough for the routine. As Lady of Shalott has pointed out, 45% of doctors will consider retiring if Obamacare passes. Ignoring this inflated figure, each year we admit a larger proportion of women to our medical schools. Women as a group are far less willing to work the insane hours which male physicians as a group work. From whichever cause, our supply of medical expertise will likely shrink in the future.

Pulling admin costs out of routine care could make a material dent in medical costs. Shifting routine care to persons of lesser but adequate expertise could also help.

If people could purchase major medical insurance and maintain a Health Savings Account on a tax-preferred basis for the routine, we could save. Note that this is the precise opposite premise from Obamacare where all medical care, no matter how trivial, will involve passing papers from Cheyenne to Washington. This savings could reach a few per cent of GDP.

I envision people choosing to purchase catastrophic coverage with health savings accounts sopping the extra dollars paid now. These dollars can pay for routine care or be saved for later in life when the body fails. I would also allow the insurers to pay no-claims bonuses under some circumstances. One circumstance might be a healthy lifestyle where the most dangerous pleasures are foregone – obviously obesity, perhaps smoking although there is a cost to the blood test; lack of drug and alcohol abuse could also generate a bonus. Bonuses would be paid to the HSA.

I would further permit insurers to differentiate a no-claims bonus by age or sex; such that most young men could receive in the form of the bonus some fraction of their overcharge. Suppose the market average charge is equal to the charge for a man of 55, a man of 22’s market charge might be a tenth of that. I would allow the insurers to pay a fraction (half?) of that overcharge to the HSAs of all those who are overcharged.

In lieu of a tax, I would set penalties for acquiring insurance upon sickness. After a short (6 month?) period for all to acquire insurance, failure to do so would generate future penalty. I would mandate that insurers increase their deductibles by the premiums not paid (accreted for the time value of money) plus a penalty for each uninsured year – say $1,000 for the first year $2,000 for the second etc. I believe this carrot and stick would lure healthy people to purchase health insurance.

If people understand the costs of their medical treatment, they will in the aggregate purchase more wisely than when they do not understand and bear those costs.

Some sort of subsidy – health stamps – for the poor could be added.

Note that this proposal connotes decoupling health insurance from employment. HR departments (the devil’s spawn) would have less to do.

We should put more money into administering Medicare such as to lower costs.

We could perhaps ameliorate the dread Medicaid spend-down by placing a lien on assets instead of requiring their liquidation. The lien would allow people to use their assets for living but would forbid them transferring those assets to others. The assets would be collected at death. I have no clear picture of the costs of such a change – they might be prohibitive.

Posted by guest author: levi from queens on Sep 21, 2009 7:00 am

27 comments, latest by packen at 6:00 am 10/16

#1 Aridog at 8:37 am on Sep 21, 2009

Levi...WOW! I will be most of today and most of tomorrow, hell most of the week, digesting everything you've posted here.

Thank you very much for the effort. It is just such efforts that may save us from our own follies in the end.

#2 zorkmidden at 8:42 am on Sep 21, 2009

I wish levi would post his original title in the comments here, it was very sweet.

#3 levi from queens at 8:57 am on Sep 21, 2009

My original title was: A love letter to packen

#4 Aridog at 9:17 am on Sep 21, 2009

#3 levi from queens
My original title was: A love letter to packen

Uh, oh...now you've gone and DONE IT!!

#5 Sean Gleeson at 9:44 am on Sep 21, 2009

"Health stamps" is a good idea, but I think we should combine it with food stamps and most other assistance programs into "stuff stamps." It just seems inapt to give poor people credits that can only be used for food, when what they may really need at that moment is some allergy medicine, or paying their electric bill, or new brake pads, or underwear. Why not just give them credits that can be used for just about any necessity (excluding discretionary items such as alcohol, tobacco, gambling, and entertainment), and let them take care of whatever needs they have?

#6 Lewis at 10:03 am on Sep 21, 2009

Why not just give them credits that can be used for just about any necessity (excluding discretionary items such as alcohol, tobacco, gambling, and entertainment), and let them take care of whatever needs they have?

The less choices you give people, the less opportunities they have to make bad decisions.

This seems to me the direction that our government is going in nowadays, and it's a pretty typical attitude of middle-class liberal intellectuals that the great unwashed need to be saved from themselves.

Up here in the Northeast, I can't swing a stick anywhere without hitting someone who feels this way.

#7 AM42 at 10:59 am on Sep 21, 2009

Wow is right. It will take me a while- even long than Aridog- to read and digest this. however, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say "Great GA post, lfq!" Thanks.

If I find the case to be otherwise, I will... eh, I'll probably just keep it to myself.

I will read this though, just not now.

#8 floranista at 11:22 am on Sep 21, 2009

#3 levi from queens
My original title was: A love letter to packen
lol!! levi, I can't give it the attention I know it deserves right now as I'm on the run but I sure will when I get back. I thought your post on global warming was the best thing I ever read on the subject.

#9 papijoe at 12:54 pm on Sep 21, 2009

This is amazing levi I can't wait to read the whole thing

#10 Dances With Typos at 1:49 pm on Sep 21, 2009

Levi - Thank you for a long, thoughtful, and obviously well-researched, piece. I've read perhaps one-third of it, so far, but not all.

It will take some time while to digest much of it, though I do think you answered the question raised in your #1 under 'what works poorly' in your #'s 3, 4, 9 & 10 under the same heading.

More comments will likely come as I digest more of it.

#11 floranista at 4:01 pm on Sep 21, 2009

Excellent, levi, thank you for all the thought and time you put into this article. You brought up so many good points, some I hadn't thought of but definitely have an impact on "what's wrong" with our health care system.

some people get superior care through luck where they happen upon a superior doctor


In the past, I've been fortunate to have this happen a few times. Right now, however, I'm between a rock and a hard place - not happy with either GP I've seen over the last 18 months and not knowing which way to turn. Tom and I have discussed just using our GPs to get a referral to a specialist. But, then again, sometimes we don't need a specialist and it was my GP in Everett who correctly diagnosed my illness where others had not (she was wonderful, I miss her!).

I'm definitely on board with your analysis and solutions.

#12 packen at 4:36 pm on Sep 21, 2009

#3 levi from queens
My original title was: A love letter to packen
That is so sweet, levi. This is probably the longest (but not necessarily most exciting) love letter I ever received.

I basically agree with your analysis of what's wrong with the current system and totally agree with your statement:

I believe it gargantuan.

Selling insurance across state lines would definitely fall under "gargantuan", I can't even imagine how that would be possible in the light of current system based on fee contracts and discounts. It is probably the worst nightmare all parties involved (insurance companies, providers and patients) have to deal with, where doctors have no idea which contracts they participate in anymore, same applies to insurance companies and the patient is left to sort through this mess. The system is so convoluted that sometimes it is easier to start from scratch instead of tweaking it.

But anyway, I am glad we are at least trying to do something. It is not going to be a smooth process by any stretch of imagination, but I am sure it can be done, if not for us, then for the next generation to come.


#13 lady red at 6:08 pm on Sep 21, 2009

Wow. Levi, your post is outstanding. I've read every word twice.

Thank you for all the hard work.

#14 gutterfiend at 8:32 pm on Sep 21, 2009

Great post, Levi - very interesting.

Advocates have raised privacy questions – why should my dentist see my gynecologist’s findings? I would allow limitations by each person as to who could see what. I would also note that I would place no such limitations upon my own medical information – infections in one part of the body affect others; and gynecological information could indeed inform a dentist’s treatment and vice-versa. This system would provide far better information than the privacy walls of today – and information trumps.

We use computerized charting where I work (sort of - but that would be an entire GA post in itself). If I wanted to I could look up a patient's medical data from all admissions within my city back to a certain date. However, there are a few checks and balances in place. All patients in the system are coded with a location if they are currently admitted - usually the unit they are assigned to, or some sort of temporary location such as OR, recovery room, DI, etc. Every computer terminal is also coded with a location. So if I am in the OR, and I try to look up a patient's file who is not currently coded as being in that same location, I will get a message asking me for an override reason. I type in my reason (usually the patient is en route but has not yet arrived yet) and the program allows me to proceed.

Now, it would be very easy to make something up, but from time to time that data is audited. So if I'm in the habit of looking up my friends' and family's medical data, eventually I'm going to get caught. I have heard of people losing their jobs for that infraction on top of being punished by their professional organizations. It's not a perfect system, but I think it works well at protecting privacy while still allowing staff to use their professional judgement. From the very first year of nursing school it was drilled in that you DO NOT look at charts (or even portions of charts) that are not your concern, but the information is still available IF you have a good reason for viewing it.

#15 Lyana at 9:10 pm on Sep 21, 2009

#3 levi from queens
My original title was: A love letter to packen

Heh. My guess after reading zorkie's comment (early this morning and before you posted your comment) was "To Packen with Love"

Well done, levi. You put a huge amount of thought and effort into this; thank you. I tend to stay out of the health care discussions because I don't feel like I know enough about the US system to chime in. But it's obviously broken and needs to be fixed.

I'm pretty familiar with the Canadian system, but don't feel I understand even that completely because I've been in the young/healthy bracket the entire time we've lived here. I've heard the horror stories, but haven't experienced them.

I firmly agree with the sentiment that the US can do this thing better than any of the other countries out there if people put their minds to it.

#16 levi from queens at 10:18 am on Sep 22, 2009

Actually the entire original title was:

A LOVE LETTER TO PACKEN, WITHOUT WHOM I WOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN THIS QUESTION NEARLY SO MUCH THOUGHT

And the original ending was:

Well packen, this is all I’ve got.

These were intended as a sort of apology or explanation for inflicting such wonkery upon bloggie.

#18 Dances With Typos at 11:16 am on Sep 22, 2009

On Saturday I was helping an older, but still spry and full-facultied gentleman, to jury-rig a fix for an item in his house.

While we were brainstorming, he had a small dizzy spell, and mentioned that the doctors seemed unable to get his new pacemaker tuned in. They'd told him it would be better in every way, but it was not.

I said he'd better get it going right, soon, and he answered, "Yeah, before Obamacare comes in, 'cause I'm 90 now, and all they'll want to give me is pills."

I could not honestly disagree with him.

Across-state-lines insurance, catastrophic-care-only insurance, getting the ambulance-chaser, John Edwards types out of the sytem, all sound good to me, and have since some of it was first proposed by Reagan, and trounced by a Democratic congress who would not go against their own special interest groups.

Forced-insurance for those who don't want it (or are wealthy enough not to need it) care for illegals (including a blanket amnesty to assure their votes make them eligible), giving billions to unions to assure their votes pay for their commitments, controlling the level and availability of care, and continuing to allow the trial lawyers free run (ruin?) of the health-care sytem to assure their campaign contributions do not sound at all good to me.

Giving the government complete and sole control over 16% more (to start) of the economy of this nation, especially in this area is a recipe for nothing short of disaster.

#19 packen@work at 1:00 pm on Sep 22, 2009

#17 levi from queens:

#17 levi from queens
No surprise there, because a) every state has its own mandates, laws, mishigases, etc., and b) this is only the tip of the iceberg, as I already stated in my comment #12. You can't even imagine what a mess the current system is, unless you work in the field. Whoever came up with this cross-state-lines idea doesn't know what what the hell they are talking about, in real life terms.

#20 levi from queens at 2:08 pm on Sep 22, 2009

Thank you to everybody who commented or read or skimmed or read a bit of my post (and particularly to lady red).

To Sean and Lewy -- it is customary for good reason to restrict gifts to the poor -- such that the particular problem you are contributing for gets cured. The reason is that if charitable cases have heretofore not successfully managed unrestricted cash (fair or not. And then of course there is always C.S.Lewis. Lewis dug into his pockets and showered change upon a bum. His companion was appalled saying -- but he'll only spend it on tobacco or alcohol. C.S. Lewis replied, " yes, but I'd probably do the same with it."

Gutterfiend -- Are you in Canada -- or where? It sounds to me that you have reasonable exchange of medical information. If we could again have that in America.

#21 franco cbi at 4:08 pm on Sep 22, 2009

Packen and Levi -

Do you think regulation of insurance companies should be at the federal level instead of the state level? The Naderites have been pushing for that for years.

#22 levi from queens at 4:15 pm on Sep 22, 2009

#21 franco cbi
Packen and Levi -

Do you think regulation of insurance companies should be at the federal level instead of the state level? The Naderites have been pushing for that for years.

So has AIG. The states have done a far better job with insurers than the feds have with banks.

A problem with insurance regulation world-wide is that politicians can and will demagogue on behalf of policyholder's short term interest. 20 years ago all of the Scandinavian countries had vibrant reinsurers, but each nation dictated that auto insurance be priced to lose. There are no more respected reinsurers in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, or Finland. At least here if a state demands uneconomic behavior, insurers can pull out. The business takes a hit but remains to provide coverage.

#23 packen at 6:03 pm on Sep 22, 2009

#21 franco cbi
Do you think regulation of insurance companies should be at the federal level instead of the state level?
If you want cross-state sales and portability, then the answer is federal. At this point I don't really care as long as something is done.

#24 levi from queens at 5:55 pm on Sep 23, 2009

Sorry its taken me two days. I would think we would get a mixed federal-state regulation of health insurers as with lending institutions. If you sell across state lines, you will be subject to federal regulation. If you do not, you are subject to state regulation.

Premium taxes pay for regulation -- there would need to be a federal premium tax on cross-state sales to pay for regulation of the same.

Sorry to be so boring.

This solution is far superior to an overall federal takeover as in Obamacare as it will preserve local variety.

#25 levi from queens at 5:31 am on Oct 16, 2009

Robert Reich makes the point that health care reform will entail socking it to the poor, stifling innovation, and letting old people die.

#26 levi from queens at 5:47 am on Oct 16, 2009

#25 levi from queens: Actually not the poor, but the young.

#27 packen at 6:00 am on Oct 16, 2009

I am going try to reorganize it to be more amenable to treating sick people but that means you, particularly you young people, particularly you young healthy people...you're going to have to pay more.


Of course it makes more sense to let the sick go untreated and die already.

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' The Palestinian Authority and Christian leaders on Thursday signed an accord to repair the Church of the Nativity
' Asked about Hamas on Thursday, White House Mideast envoy George Mitchell said: "We do not expect Hamas to
' Abbas and Netanyahu are far apart on issues that have eluded a solution for decades, including the borders
' To relaunch Middle East peace talks on Thursday, the Israeli and Palestinian leaders and their American mediators quietly
Holy Shit. Anyone who voted for this nitfuck deserves the government that they've gotten. I feel sorry for the
#4 zorki: I think the situation is a little different _ via a vis _ South and Central American
[ #9 ]/ zorkmidden and shop for specials for denture adhesives. [img]
[ #3 ]/ Cam: I know the Chinese do that and that there are networks who loan money to
#5 zorki: She should be tried, then, for the crime of dumbfuckery - assuming that that is is a
#2 zorki: They work it off when they arrive.
A little OT, but every time I read the stories about illegal immigrants who come to the West for jobs,
packen, if you haven't seen "Fallen", you should.
[ #8 ]/ RWC: And when you're not robbing people of their bling, you can commiserate with evariste about
' Of course, I have no way of knowing if the Tamils’ claims are genuine: post-civil war Sri Lanka
It _ was _ surprising, but I felt the movie sacrificed its own internal logic and mood for the sake
[ #4 ]/ zorkmidden #3 RWC: Happy birthday, old man. Don't join a gang
[ PA arrests two Hamas members for the terror attack ]/ . The [ JPost article ]/ does not
[ #5 ]/ king's shadow: It surprised me and I liked it.
[ #6 ]/ Thousand Sons: And they wouldn't drop out of school if only they had schools. Or alarms.
The Fallen was a good movie, but I didn't like/buy the final twist.
Because gangbangers wouldnt be thuggin' or making quick, illegal cash if they just had _ jobs _ .
[ #2 ]/ zorkmidden: There's definitely a simlarity.
[ #1 ]/ zorkmidden Nice chilling story for a * hot day * . Which
' Is there a leak? Does anyone know? ' Apparently a small leak, that's not associated with

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