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Posted by HPS on Aug 26, 2008 5:55 pm

21 comments, latest by Point of Order at 10:47 am 8/28

#1 HPS at 5:57 pm on Aug 26, 2008

From Harry's Place a few hours ago:

Harry’s Place may be removed (or rather have it’s DNS disabled) after a ‘complaint’ to the company that our domain name is registered with.

We assume after threats were made on the weekend that this ‘complaint’ originates from Jenna Delich or her supporters.

Though we have not yet seen the complaint submitted, we assume it runs along the lines that pointing out that Ms Delich linked to the website of a known neo-Nazi figure and former Ku Klux Klan leader is defamatory.

This is extraordinary since Ms Delich has not denied that she circulated links to David Dukes website. There would be no point since the evidence is in the public domain.

Nevertheless, a malicious complaint has been made to the company hosting our DNS.

#2 zorkmidden at 6:03 pm on Aug 26, 2008

Are they going to try and close Jerusalem Post down too?

I'm sorry to hear that HPS, if Harry's Place wants to post anything here until the matter is resolved, they're welcome to do so. I hope nothing happens and the complaint is dismissed.

#3 evariste at 6:20 pm on Aug 26, 2008

Looks like their registrar is just a TUCOWS reseller. Next time use Moniker, Gandi, or Joker, instead of some random fly-by-night operation. Cutting out the middleman and getting directly in touch with TUCOWS might be a good move for Harry's Place. It looks like they let you switch to a different reseller if you're having problems with the one you're using. (And of course you can always just transfer the domain to a completely different registrar outside the TUCOWS reseller system, e.g. Moniker or Gandi.)

#4 Memphis Bill at 6:23 pm on Aug 26, 2008

This is contagious. Drink-Soaked Trots is down too. Has to be within past 48 hours.

#5 evariste at 6:24 pm on Aug 26, 2008

The English legal system is a menace to freedom of speech.

#6 Memphis Bill at 6:31 pm on Aug 26, 2008

#5 evariste
The English legal system is a menace to freedom of speech.

I'm getting a RoadRunner masthead with sponsored ads instead of Harry's Place. Must be up to your ISP what you see.

I'm sure they'll be out of this soon enough. They've gone down before.

#7 Memphis Bill at 6:38 pm on Aug 26, 2008

Harry's set up this temp link with previous posts about Delich: here

#8 Lewis at 7:40 pm on Aug 26, 2008

#6 Memphis Bill:

I'm getting a RoadRunner masthead with sponsored ads instead of Harry's Place. Must be up to your ISP what you see.


Muthafuckah, me too.


#5 evariste
The English legal system is a menace to freedom of speech.

Is becoming more and more apparent, yes.

#9 Queequeg at 8:03 pm on Aug 26, 2008

I wish David Duke would drop his anti-Israel BS. It's entirely pointless, and makes him a liability to any form of resurgent Euro-nationalism.

#10 Right Wing Conspirator at 8:24 pm on Aug 26, 2008

#9 Queequeg
I wish David Duke would drop his anti-Israel BS. It's entirely pointless, and makes him a liability to any form of resurgent Euro-nationalism.

I wish for 500 billion and a unicorn that poos gold bricks. Probably the same odds of them happening.

#11 Queequeg at 9:15 pm on Aug 26, 2008

#10 Right Wing Conspirator


I wish for 500 billion and a unicorn that poos gold bricks. Probably the same odds of them happening.

Well, perhaps a more reasonable wish is that people will start ignoring him.

#12 Right Wing Conspirator at 10:14 pm on Aug 26, 2008

#11 Queequeg

Well, perhaps a more reasonable wish is that people will start ignoring him.

As most have. Isn't he really in the same category as Fred Phelps? I know extremists listen to him but they are .09 percent of the population.

ps - QP, I hope it doesn't like I am arguing, just posting.

#13 Memphis Bill at 11:01 pm on Aug 26, 2008

The English tradition of free speech diverged from ours somewhere. Or else, ours does not come from theirs. Must study.

#14 annie at 11:17 pm on Aug 26, 2008

#13 Memphis Bill
The English tradition of free speech diverged from ours somewhere. Or else, ours does not come from theirs. Must study.

The divergence only occurred in recent years, in the Age of Political Correctness. It never used to be like this. I think of British hard-hitting satirical magazines, for example Private Eye, and I don't think I've ever seen an American equivalent. But I am willing to be corrected.

#15 Memphis Bill at 11:42 pm on Aug 26, 2008

We had a sedition law for a couple years early on but that applied only to statements, true or false, against public officials. Killed the Federalist Party no doubt.

#16 SnoopyTheGoon at 9:40 am on Aug 27, 2008

Now, folks, let's not get too paranoid. DSTPFW are at

http://www.drinksoakedtrotsforwar.com/

They moved from blogspot quite some time ago.

#17 Memphis Bill at 11:33 am on Aug 27, 2008

#16 SnoopyTheGoon
Now, folks, let's not get too paranoid. DSTPFW are at

http://www.drinksoakedtrotsforwar.com/

They moved from blogspot quite some time ago.
Now, as I recall, I hadn't bookmarked the newer link and was clicking through the older link. Pure coincidence they killed the older link around the same time Harry's Place went down.

One less thing to be paranoid about. So many left.

#18 Memphis Bill at 11:37 am on Aug 27, 2008

Latest from Harry's Place satellite:

Blogger Jonny Mac said...

Can someone from HP give an update on what's happened (so far as you know), when you think you might be back up, whether this is the only HP satellite, etc?

27 August 2008 09:18


Blogger Harry's Place Satellite said...
We've transferred our DNS registry to another provider and hope to be back by the weekend.

27 August 2008 09:21

#19 Memphis Bill at 11:46 am on Aug 27, 2008

And just as I wrote the previous comment, Harry's Place is back with the same URL.

#20 zorkmidden at 10:30 am on Aug 28, 2008

Update: UK academic union bans anti-Semitic poster from Web site

"Nevertheless, today's move against Delich is significant. It is the first time that UCU has come near to recognizing that there is any problem of anti-Semitism in the union. It constitutes the final crumbling of the "criticism of Israel or Israeli policy are not, as such, anti-Semitic" brick wall.

Meanwhile, a Web site that published the story about the UCU link to the anti-Semitic article on Duke's Web site has been taken offline after its service provider was threatened with libel.

The internet service provider of Harry's Place, a popular British blog site which was one of the first to report on the incident, shut down the site on Wednesday.

It followed the advice circulated on the UCU list by Mike Cushman, a research fellow at the London School of Economics, active in the boycott of Israel campaign and one of the organizers of an event in London last month entitled "International resistance to Zionism: In solidarity with 60-plus years of Palestinian resistance to the founding of Israel."

He told Jenna Delich that he thought Harry's Place had "potentially libelled" her and advised her to contact the site's ISP.

"The boycott campaign has often criticized its opponents when there has been talk about bringing anti-racist [legislation] to bear on the UCU. Their position has been that it would be an illegitimate tactic to use the power of the state to interfere with free speech in the union, but now, at least, some boycotters are hoping that British libel law is used to silence opponents of anti-Semitism and to protect themselves, and Delich, from criticism," Hirsh said.

#21 Point of Order at 10:47 am on Aug 28, 2008

Nevertheless, today's move against Delich is significant. It is the first time that UCU has come near to recognizing that there is any problem of anti-Semitism in the union. It constitutes the final crumbling of the "criticism of Israel or Israeli policy are not, as such, anti-Semitic" brick wall.

What nonsense.

I'm no supporter of a boycott, and this Jenna Delich woman is clearly either an idiot or an anti-Semite, but these events change absolutely squat in the distinction between criticism of Israeli policies, and anti-Semitism. Dr. David Hirsh seems to be just as big an idiot as Delich.

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