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Flight 93 Memorial - Call to Prayer Sundial?
filed on Jul 09, 2007 4:13 pm
21 comments, latest by Dances With Typos at 6:13 pm 7/14
#1 Right Wing Conspirator at 4:14 pm on Jul 09, 2007
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Left image: a traditional Islamic sundial (photo © Germán Moreno, 2006). The shadow has just reached the outer curved vertical, indicating time for Islamic afternoon prayers. The image on the right is the Tower of Voices portion of the planned Flight 93 Memorial. It is also an Islamic sundial. Shadow calculations confirm that, on any day of the year, when the Tower shadow reaches the inner arc of trees, it will be time for Islamic afternoon prayers.
#2 solus rex at 4:16 pm on Jul 09, 2007
Godfuckingdamnit. The motherfucking scumbags and their idiot enablers would not give up.
#3 evariste at 4:37 pm on Jul 09, 2007
Goddamnit!
#4 floranista at 5:15 pm on Jul 09, 2007
We are so fucked up.
#5 floranista at 5:23 pm on Jul 09, 2007
I was curious to see who was responsible for the memorial and found a little bit:

During the first week of August 2005, a separate jury reviewed all public comments received to date and evaluated the designs. The Stage II Jury was comprised of 15 members including family members, design and art professionals, and community and national leaders. The jury collaboratively and rigorously examined the designs to determine which one best fulfilled the spirit of the Mission Statement.

As prescribed by the competition regulations, the jury’s recommendation was presented to the head officials of each Partner organization. On September 7, 2005, all groups associated with this process concurred with the recommendation which was subsequently adopted by the Commission and publicly announced.

The selected design was submitted by Paul Murdoch Architects, of Los Angeles, California.


WTH? I wonder what the good people of PA have to say about this. Did Murdoch Arch. have any response to this?
#6 סטרמי Stormi at 5:33 pm on Jul 09, 2007
This is really outrageous. Am I just especially insulated in not having heard of this before?
#7 floranista at 5:36 pm on Jul 09, 2007
I never heard about it either, Stormi!
#8 Fay at 6:00 pm on Jul 09, 2007
It has been discussed here before and extensively at LGF. In fact Marine Momma provided a link to an article by Michelle Malkin that included this vomit inducing fact:

I remind you of all this because the official Flight 93 memorial unveiled last week is now embroiled in overdue public controversy. Funded with a mix of public money and private cash (including a $500,000 grant from Teresa Heinz's far-Left Heinz Endowments), the winning design, titled the "Crescent of Embrace," features a grove of maple trees ringing the crash site in the shape of an unmistakable red crescent. The crescent, New York University Middle East Studies professor Bernard Haykel told the Johnstown, PA, Tribune-Democrat, "is the symbol of ritual and religious life for Muslims."
#9 TalkinKamel at 6:00 pm on Jul 09, 2007
Yes, Florrie, I'd love to hear Murdoch's response to this. I'd also like to know if he's got any Saudi and/or oil money connections.
#10 Fay at 6:02 pm on Jul 09, 2007
Sorry, forgot the link to Malkin's article.
#11 RadioMattM at 6:02 pm on Jul 09, 2007
...the winning design, titled the "Crescent of Embrace," features a grove of maple trees ringing the crash site in the shape of an unmistakable red crescent. The crescent, New York University Middle East Studies professor Bernard Haykel told the Johnstown, PA, Tribune-Democrat, "is the symbol of ritual and religious life for Muslims."
Imagine if someone had suggested a cross or a star (resembling the Star of David). We would be deaf from the screaming.
#12 TalkinKamel at 6:08 pm on Jul 09, 2007
I can understand Teyreyza's Heinz Endowments thinking this was great, but why the family members?
#13 The Lost Boyscout at 6:39 pm on Jul 09, 2007
#12 TalkinKamel
. . . but why the family members?

How many Americans are in any way conversant with islamic symbolism?

My question is whether the family members who initially helped to choose the design are still supportive of it?

It would be interesting to find out what they might have to say, now.
#14 franco cbi at 7:10 pm on Jul 09, 2007
That reminds me, I haven't seen MM in ages.
#15 Queequeg at 4:44 am on Jul 10, 2007
Bizarre, this is like hiding a swastika in a WW2 memorial.
#16 Madison Grant at 6:07 am on Jul 10, 2007
Or like Jews in Amsterdam removing a WW2 memorial, a white cross, to make place for a big Church of Satan run by German devil worshippers, secretly financed by the Jewish mayor using taxpayer's money, in a country where there is supposed to be strict separation between church and state.
#17 Zabbil at 6:06 pm on Jul 14, 2007
Here are excerpts from the Flight 93 Voice Cockpit Recorder Transcript, and then look at the numbers. Many refs: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12286423/ Flight 93 cockpit tape transcript
>>>BEGINNING>>> 09:31:57 -- Ladies and Gentlemen: Here the captain, please sit down keep remaining seating. We have a bomb on board. So sit.
>>>ENDING>>> 10:03:09 -- Allah is the Greatest. Allah is the Greatest.
>>>THIRTY-NINTH MINUTE>>> 09:39:11 -- Ah. Here's the captain; I would like to tell you all to remain seated. We have a bomb aboard, and we are going back to the airport, and we have our demands. So, please remain quiet,
09:39:21 -- Okay. That's ninety three calling?
09:39:24 -- One moment.
09:39:34 -- United ninety three. I understand you have a bomb on board. Go ahead.
09:39:42 -- And center execjet nine fifty six. That was the transmission,
09:39:47 -- Okay. Ah. Who called Cleveland?
09:39:52 -- Executive jet nine fifty six, did you understand that transmission?
09:39:56 -- Affirmative. He said that there was a bomb on board,
09:39:58 -- That was all that you got out of it also?
>>> ELEVEN SECONDS>>> 09:39:11 -- Ah. Here's the captain; I would like to tell you all to remain seated. We have a bomb aboard, and we are going back to the airport, and we have our demands. So, please remain quiet,
09:54:11 -- Unintelligible, 09:59:11 -- Sit down. 10:00:11 -- There is nothing. 10:01:11 -- Saeed.
>>>NINE ALLAHS>>> 10:03:02 -- Allah is the Greatest. 10:03:03 -- Allah is the Greatest 10:03:04 -- Allah is the Greatest. 10:03:06 -- Allah is the Greatest. 10:03:06 -- Allah is the Greatest. 10:03:07 -- No. 10:03:09 -- Allah is the Greatest. Allah is the Greatest. 10:03:09 -- Allah is the Greatest. Allah is the Greatest.

>>>My Observation:
A. The Beginning and Ending: starts at 9:31, ends at 10:03:09 = 931 139, or, starts and ends with 93 & 39, the plane's flight Number [93].

B. Thirty-Ninth Minute: most of the transcript is only short statements, however the Longest Paragraph is the first entry of the Thirty-Ninth Minute [39 "93" backwards]. Let's see what we find,
1) This long Paragraph contains thirty-six words [36]; rotate the '6' to a '9' and you have a "39".
2) At :21 and :34 seconds the traffic controller mentions "ninety three" [93]; then, at :42 and :52 seconds, mentions exec jet "nine fifty six" [9 / 56 => 9 & 5+6 => 9 11]. Two 93's and Two 9/11's.
3) There are Nine entries for the Thirty-Ninth Minute.
4) That Longest Paragraph just happens to begin at 9:39:11, yes, Ninety-Three and Nine Eleven. The time for the longest statement in the final half-hour of the transcript just happens to be the Flight Number and the Date.
5) #2 and #4 above give us Three [93 -- 9/11]'s.

C. Eleven Seconds: there are five entries that end with Eleven Seconds, 9:39:11 of course, and 09:54:11, 09:59:11, 10:00:11, 10:01:11. Only one more 9/11 there, maybe 9:54:11 could be 5+4 = 9 & 11, but the last two are all Ones, Seven of them. So maybe Three more Nine-Elevens.

D) Nine Allahs: In the last several seconds, 10:03:02 to 10:03:09, the four hijackers manage to say "Allah is the Greatest" Nine times.

E) Does this means the Flight 93 Cockpit Voice Recorder Transcript is a fake?
Have a look at 9:35:32))): "Are you talking to me".
#18 סטרמי Stormi at 6:07 pm on Jul 14, 2007
Ooooookaaaaay.
#19 franco cbi at 6:10 pm on Jul 14, 2007
09:39:47 -- Okay. Ah. Who called Cleveland?


They're all about to die, and he's vetting his long distance bill? Cheapskate asshole.
#20 Dances With Typos at 6:11 pm on Jul 14, 2007
I am talking to you only to the extent of saying;
Have a look at 9:35:32))): "Are you talking to me".
You did not post this one.

And that no doofy numeralogical maunderings are going to prove anything in regard to the authenticity of the voice recorder tape.

IF this is actually from the voice recorder, and not some conspiracy theorists wet dream.

Besides, you screwed up the sidebar.
#21 Dances With Typos at 6:13 pm on Jul 14, 2007
1) This long Paragraph contains thirty-six words [36]; rotate the '6' to a '9' and you have a "39".
WOW!!! It is all so clear now. You should write this down, then read it back in the morning.

I am quite sure it will say something similar to "There's a funny smell in the room".
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