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Where do I join this "Mormon Taliban?"
filed on May 02, 2007 7:33 am
70 comments, latest by floranista at 1:57 pm 5/2
#1 V the K at 7:35 am on May 02, 2007
Roseanne Barr is rumored to be the frontrunner to replace Ro on Hen Party The View.
get ready for taliban mormon style '08. Myself and all other jews who demand that israel retreat from jerusalem will be at gitmo.
#2 Frank IBC at 7:40 am on May 02, 2007
Myself and all other jews...


Calling AFW...

...who demand that israel retreat from jerusalem will be at gitmo.


From Jaffa Road? From the Knesset? From Hebrew University? From Sderot Herzl? From Yad va-Shem?
#3 annie at 8:03 am on May 02, 2007
OMG! I just read the first quote from Roseanne on the Jews and Israel and it is just sickening. I'm appalled. I had no idea at all that she is like this. I know most entertainers are moonbats, but this is nearer Nazi than anything even on the extreme left.
#4 Frank IBC at 8:06 am on May 02, 2007
get ready for taliban mormon style '08. Myself and all other jews who demand that israel retreat from jerusalem will be at gitmo.


That's right, abandoning your people will do you no good when T2nd&FHc comes.
#5 Frank IBC at 8:17 am on May 02, 2007
Roseanne was born in Salt Lake City and spent much of her early life there. So she and the Mormons go back a-ways.

On April 6, 2007 Barr made a controversial statement about gay activists during her show on California's KCAA radio. [2] Barr commented that putting measures like gay marriage on ballots for elections only hurts the gay rights cause and elects more conservative politicians. Barr went on to say "And I have never once --and I say I have gay and lesbian people in my family -- never once in my 54 years have I ever once heard a gay or lesbian person who’s politically active say one thing about anything that was not about them. They don’t care about minimum wage, they don’t care about any other group other than their own self because you know, some people say being gay and lesbian is a totally narcissistic thing and sometimes I wonder. I’ve never heard any of them say anything except for “accept me ‘cause I’m gay.” It’s just, it’s screwed. " [3]

Barr later apologized twice on her official online blog stating, "I deeply regret that I have offended gay people. I said things that I do not really mean, before I had thought them through... I was wrong and I seriously apologize! Call me up today and let me have it! I will apologize and try to make clear what I really meant to say... which was that everybody needs to unite right now, and step outside of their own neighborhoods, groups, races and classes to stop Bush's war on our country and our people. I love gays and I hate division. I am just a big idiot with a big mouth sometimes. I will learn to be more careful! Please forgive me, I am so sorry!!!!" [4] [5]. Barr continued to state in further online posts that she believes gays need to unite against those who try to oppress them. "Let's all leave our own bedrooms, kitchens, neighborhoods and groups and meet each other to form a diverse army that stands for Democracy and Economic Justice!"
#6 Frank IBC at 8:26 am on May 02, 2007
In a 1991 interview with People, Roseanne claimed to be an incest survivor, accusing both of her parents of physical and sexual abuse, charges which they and her sister Geraldine publicly deny. During the time of Barr's related accusations--aimed primarily at her father--she had been undergoing repressed memory therapy, and controversal therapeutic technique that has since been universally disavowed by the psychological community. Both her siblings and parents denied the charges, and lie detector tests used on Roseanne's parents came back with negative results. The court battles led to years of estrangement with her parents and siblings. Barr's accusations are now widely considered to have been false, situating Barr as a victim of False Memory Syndrome. During this time, Barr also claimed to have multiple personality disorder and other mental illnesses. Geraldine later sold stories to the tabloids calling Roseanne a liar and accusing her of making up the story to boost her show's ratings, perhaps adding evidence to the False Memory Syndrome origin of the accusations. Geraldine also accused Roseanne of "unfairly" firing her from the cast of the show and claiming that Roseanne "owed" her half of the show's profits.
#7 solus rex at 8:30 am on May 02, 2007
instead of standing together with the socialist factions that opposed Hitler

Never mind that it was Kremlin and its Komintern puppets who stood in the way of such an alliance.
#8 Frank IBC at 8:32 am on May 02, 2007
Hollywood is a cancer on humanity.


While at first I might tend to agree, this actually seems like more evidence of her self-hatred.
#9 Frank IBC at 8:35 am on May 02, 2007
She looks quite different than she used to.

But sadly, there is no plastic surgery available for her fugly soul.
#10 Lewis at 8:35 am on May 02, 2007
The arabs do not invade other countries. The israelis do.


That's so damn ignorant, I feel embarrassed for her just reading it.
#11 zorkmidden at 8:37 am on May 02, 2007
#8 Frank IBC
Hollywood is a cancer on humanity.


While at first I might tend to agree, this actually seems like more evidence of her self-hatred.

Coming from a has-been, second-rate star, there's probably a little bit of envy in there too.

So did she ever apologize to her parents for falsely accusing them of abuse?
#12 zorkmidden at 8:39 am on May 02, 2007
#10 Lewis
The arabs do not invade other countries. The israelis do.


That's so damn ignorant, I feel embarrassed for her just reading it.

Everything she said on the subject was stupid and ignorant.
#13 Frank IBC at 8:40 am on May 02, 2007
What is it about Jewish self-hatred? There doesn't seem to be anything else like it in the universe.

I'm trying to come up with a parody of it involving Irish politics and sterotypes, but I'm getting nowhere.
#14 solus rex at 8:41 am on May 02, 2007
#10 Lewis
The arabs do not invade other countries. The israelis do.


That's so damn ignorant, I feel embarrassed for her just reading it.

Ditto for
the arab's protection is the only reason any holy site remains in israel
More disgusted than embarrassed, however.

In any event, why should anyone give a fuck what a third-rate washed-up "entertainer" with obvious mental-health issues has to say about anything?
#15 Frank IBC at 8:43 am on May 02, 2007
#11 zorkmidden

Coming from a has-been, second-rate star, there's probably a little bit of envy in there too.


I was thinking of the use of "Hollywood" as a code-word for "Jews", from the Liberty Lobby and its ilk, particularly with the allusion to "cancer on humanity".
#16 RIP Ford at 8:44 am on May 02, 2007
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#17 solus rex at 8:44 am on May 02, 2007
#13 Frank IBC
What is it about Jewish self-hatred? There doesn't seem to be anything else like it in the universe.

I'm trying to come up with a parody of it involving Irish politics and sterotypes, but I'm getting nowhere.

One of the "explanations" could be that when such multitudes hate and persecute you so viciously for so long, some of that hatred is bound to become internalized.
#18 annie at 8:45 am on May 02, 2007
#13 Frank IBC
What is it about Jewish self-hatred? There doesn't seem to be anything else like it in the universe.


It's an oversize version of Stockholm Syndrome. After thousands of years of persecution, this is one of the results. Thankfully there are many other Jews who have healthier reactions. And saner.
#19 annie at 8:46 am on May 02, 2007
Heh :-) Me and Solus are like this (interlinking fingers).
#20 Right Wing Conspirator at 8:47 am on May 02, 2007
Wow.
#21 solus rex at 8:47 am on May 02, 2007
#19 annie
Heh :-) Me and Solus are like this (interlinking fingers).

Heh heh.
#22 Frank IBC at 8:47 am on May 02, 2007
Thankfully there are many other the overwhelming majority of Jews who have healthier reactions. And saner.


Thank G-d.
#23 zorkmidden at 8:49 am on May 02, 2007
#13 Frank IBC
What is it about Jewish self-hatred? There doesn't seem to be anything else like it in the universe.

I'm trying to come up with a parody of it involving Irish politics and sterotypes, but I'm getting nowhere.

Why is there this term, "Jewish self-hatred"? I don't see what she does as self-hatred for being Jewish, I don't even know if she grew up Jewish. If you don't want to be a Jew, you don't have to be a Jew. No one can tell if you're Jewish or not, it's not like being black. Is there black self-hatred?

I also think it's silly to expect all Jews to think alike. Do all Americans, Italians or Greeks think alike? If I criticize Greeks and Greece, am I a self-hating Greek?

I think Roseanne Barr (and many others, Jewish or not) want to appear progressive and liberal as they ride around in their Rolls-Royces and see criticizing Israel as part of being hip and trendy, like European chic. And of course by trumping out their Jewish identity (whether they really have grown up Jewish or not) gives them validation.
#24 solus rex at 8:51 am on May 02, 2007
Is there black self-hatred?

For an unbiased observer, the ghetto/hip-hop culture can appear as a manifestation thereof.
#25 zorkmidden at 8:53 am on May 02, 2007
#24 solus rex
Is there black self-hatred?

For an unbiased observer, the ghetto/hip-hop culture can appear as a manifestation thereof.

I've thought that too in the past but I wasn't sure. Interesting that you brought it up.
#26 Frank IBC at 8:55 am on May 02, 2007
If I criticize Greeks and Greece, am I a self-hating Greek?


At this moment, I am looking for your post in which you say that Greece is a cancer on society, and that any day now Greece will overrun and occupy Bulgaria, Macedonia, and western Turkey and ethnically cleanse the local inhabitants. ;)
#27 annie at 8:56 am on May 02, 2007
Zorkie, you have a valid point, but still, there is a "Jewish self-hate" syndrome. I think it's more common in Roseanne's generation and perhaps the generation above. It presents itself as a resentment against the Jewish religion and/or people and/or one's parents for making one be born Jewish. It springs very often from the discrimination against Jews that used to be acceptable even in civilised society. Together with the self-hate (or more accurately, Jewish antisemitism) comes strong anti-Zionism.

Nowadays such anti-Jewish discrimination is not tolerated any more although of course anti-Zionism is almost de rigeur in certain circles . Therefore amongst youngsters Jewish self-hatred is rarer, simply because it's quite acceptable (sadly) to be anti-Israel while being Jewish is quite acceptable at the same time.
#28 Malik Zulu Shabazz III at 8:56 am on May 02, 2007
Is there black self-hatred?


Clarence Thomas, obviously.
#29 zorkmidden at 8:57 am on May 02, 2007
#26 Frank IBC
If I criticize Greeks and Greece, am I a self-hating Greek?


At this moment, I am looking for your post in which you say that Greece is a cancer on society, and that any day now Greece will overrun and occupy Bulgaria, Macedonia, and western Turkey and ethnically cleanse the local inhabitants. ;)

LMAO! Good point.
#30 Laura at 8:58 am on May 02, 2007
What the hell is she talking about? The arabs in fact have desecrated Jewish Holy sights and when Jordan controlled east Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria, Jews were not allowed access to their holy sights.

#31 Frank IBC at 9:01 am on May 02, 2007
#24 solus rex
Is there black self-hatred?

For an unbiased observer, the ghetto/hip-hop culture can appear as a manifestation thereof.



I had to chew on that for a little bit. At first I was going to say, no, it's just a worship of violence, etc., as opposed to "the hatred of the good for being the good", but as I think about it more, it's a perverse wallowing in the worst stereotypes of white supremacists.
#32 zorkmidden at 9:01 am on May 02, 2007
#27 annie
Zorkie, you have a valid point, but still, there is a "Jewish self-hate" syndrome. I think it's more common in Roseanne's generation and perhaps the generation above. It presents itself as a resentment against the Jewish religion and/or people and/or one's parents for making one be born Jewish. It springs very often from the discrimination against Jews that used to be acceptable even in civilised society. Together with the self-hate (or more accurately, Jewish antisemitism) comes strong anti-Zionism.

Nowadays such anti-Jewish discrimination is not tolerated any more although of course anti-Zionism is almost de rigeur in certain circles . Therefore amongst youngsters Jewish self-hatred is rarer, simply because it's quite acceptable (sadly) to be anti-Israel while being Jewish is quite acceptable at the same time.
Being anti-Israel has become fashionable :-( If you support Israel, you're a "fascist" (and a murderer, according to some Greek journalists.)
#33 solus rex at 9:02 am on May 02, 2007
#25 zorkmidden

I've thought that too in the past but I wasn't sure. Interesting that you brought it up.

OTOH, it's origins concide with disappearance of the actual persecution and the rise of the welfare state. So perhaps it has more to do with the hostile-dependent syndrome: "I'll take the whitey's money and hate him for it."
#34 Frank IBC at 9:03 am on May 02, 2007
And of course "niggaz" and "bitches & hos".
#35 solus rex at 9:05 am on May 02, 2007
#33 solus rex

OTOH, it's origins concide with disappearance of the actual persecution and the rise of the welfare state. So perhaps it has more to do with the hostile-dependent syndrome: "I'll take the whitey's money and hate him for it."

"And myself for taking it."

Or perhaps I'm reading too much into that. Black culture does not generally appear to be as introspective as Jewish one.
#36 zorkmidden at 9:07 am on May 02, 2007
#35 solus rex

"And myself for taking it."

Or perhaps I'm reading too much into that. Black culture does not generally appear to be as introspective as Jewish one.

And not just introspective, not as learned either. Which leads to uniform uninformed opinions.
#37 zorkmidden at 9:09 am on May 02, 2007
#34 Frank IBC
And of course "niggaz" and "bitches & hos".

And the black people who object to this and call them on it, they get called "Uncle Thom." That's the part I hate most.
#38 Yiorgos Papadopoulos at 9:34 am on May 02, 2007
Yo, 's'up Grigga.
#39 zorkmidden at 9:35 am on May 02, 2007
LMAO!
#40 Frank IBC at 9:38 am on May 02, 2007
Did I spell "George" correctly?
#41 zorkmidden at 9:43 am on May 02, 2007
Yeah, you did :-)
#42 airforcewife at 9:43 am on May 02, 2007
#37 zorkmidden

And the black people who object to this and call them on it, they get called "Uncle Thom." That's the part I hate most.

zorkie - that one makes my head spin. In the book, Uncle Tom died rather than divulge where the escaped slaves were hiding. How did he become a figure of derision????

Roseanne Barr made all her money by playing to white trash stereotypes that really had no connection to Judaism at all, although she did have a funny bit where she talked about her parents selling those religious pictures that change when your position changes. But other than that.. She immersed herself in making fun of her life as white trash, and now is trying to prove that, indeed, SHE'S the only trailer park alumnus that has any brains!!! She's smart! And somehow that means her opinions matter.

Um, not really. Although it sounds like she would be an ideal host for The View if the Carter Center is planning on getting into corporate sponsorship.
#43 Stormi bin Jobbin' at 9:45 am on May 02, 2007
What, did The View figure they'd just exchange one fat lady named Rosie for another fat lady named Rosie, and nobody would notice?

Probably not, since their opinions on many things are probably the same.
#44 solus rex at 9:47 am on May 02, 2007
#40 Frank IBC
Did I spell "George" correctly?

Russian has both Георгий and Юрий names.
#45 Laura at 9:49 am on May 02, 2007
I'm wondering how people who call themselves liberals wind up defending fascists like the arabs.
#46 solus rex at 9:49 am on May 02, 2007
#43 Stormi bin Jobbin'
What, did The View figure they'd just exchange one fat lady named Rosie for another fat lady named Rosie, and nobody would notice?

Probably not, since their opinions on many things are probably the same.

Like Roman, Rodion and Rodrig in Invitation to a Beheading, they're all interchangeable mannequins.
#47 airforcewife at 9:50 am on May 02, 2007
#45 Laura
I'm wondering how people who call themselves liberals wind up defending fascists like the arabs.

That - and George Clooney - was the reason I stopped calling myself a liberal.
#48 Frank IBC at 9:50 am on May 02, 2007
Zorkie -

I want to make sure I have my pronunciation correct - Is "Αγιος" prounounced "Agh-i-os", "Ay-yi-os", or just "Ay-yos"?
#49 Frank IBC at 9:52 am on May 02, 2007
#44 solus rex

Russian has both Георгий and Юрий names.


I didn't know about "Георгий". And I couldn't figure out where "Юрий" came from until I saw how the name had involved in Greek.
#50 joem at 9:54 am on May 02, 2007
I am liberal when it comes to pouring shots of scotch.
#51 Stormi bin Jobbin' at 9:57 am on May 02, 2007
#50 joem
I am liberal when it comes to pouring shots of scotch.

Hallelujah, brother.
#52 airforcewife at 9:58 am on May 02, 2007
I have simply ceased the pretense and started describing myself as a "boot clicker." People stop bugging me at that point.

#53 zorkmidden at 10:01 am on May 02, 2007
#48 Frank IBC
Zorkie -

I want to make sure I have my pronunciation correct - Is "Αγιος" prounounced "Agh-i-os", "Ay-yi-os", or just "Ay-yos"?

More like the second one, Frankie.
#54 solus rex at 10:19 am on May 02, 2007
#52 airforcewife
I have simply ceased the pretense and started describing myself as a "boot clicker." People stop bugging me at that point.


Thigh-high, stiletto-heel boots?
#55 Thousand Sons at 10:31 am on May 02, 2007
#13 Frank IBC
What is it about Jewish self-hatred? There doesn't seem to be anything else like it in the universe.


American self-hatred being a close second.
#56 Lewis at 10:32 am on May 02, 2007
American self-hatred being a close second.


Didn't you see that news item about how the French hate themselves even more than Americans hate them?
#57 solus rex at 10:37 am on May 02, 2007
#56 Lewis
American self-hatred being a close second.


Didn't you see that news item about how the French hate themselves even more than Americans hate them?

Self-hatred would appear to be an endemic malaise of advanced civilization.
#58 Jourdan at 10:39 am on May 02, 2007
Speaking of which, did anyone see the *laughable* "documentary" on Mormons last night on PBS. It was so biased it was actually side-splitting funny.
#59 Thousand Sons at 10:39 am on May 02, 2007
#56 Lewis
American self-hatred being a close second.


Didn't you see that news item about how the French hate themselves even more than Americans hate them?

Wow. No wonder their culture is committing suicide.
#60 Stormi bin Jobbin' at 10:43 am on May 02, 2007
But when the French hate themselves more than they hate Americans then we'll know they really mean it.
#61 Lewis at 10:46 am on May 02, 2007
Here it is:

French outpace Americans in French-bashing

PARIS (Reuters) - The French dislike themselves even more than the Americans dislike them, according to an opinion poll published on Friday.

The survey of six nations, carried out for the International Herald Tribune daily and France 24 TV station, said 44 percent of French people thought badly of themselves against 38 percent of U.S. respondents who had a negative view of the French.
#62 solus rex at 10:47 am on May 02, 2007
#60 Stormi bin Jobbin'
But when the French hate themselves more than they hate Americans then we'll know they really mean it.

Point positif.
#63 Frank IBC at 11:00 am on May 02, 2007
#55 Thousand Sons

American self-hatred being a close second.


True.

I've known leftists from all over the world, but it is only the American ones who hate their own country, who don't react with anything less than reverence on mention of their country's name, the singing of its national anthem, or the sight of its flag.
#64 Frank IBC at 11:10 am on May 02, 2007
I guess it shouldn't come as any surprise that the French hate themselves.

I mean, look at their motto, fercrissakes.
#65 Thousand Sons at 11:49 am on May 02, 2007
#64 Frank IBC
I guess it shouldn't come as any surprise that the French hate themselves.

I mean, look at their motto, fercrissakes.

LOL! I expected better from the 'Land of Franks'!
#66 papijoe at 12:05 pm on May 02, 2007
#65 Thousand Sons

LOL! I expected better from the 'Land of Franks'!


They just don't make Franks the way they used to...
#67 Frank IBC at 12:17 pm on May 02, 2007
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#68 Meg at 12:20 pm on May 02, 2007
They hate the French? That's so unsophisticated and simplistic.
#69 evariste at 1:43 pm on May 02, 2007
She'll fit in perfectly on The View...from Ireland.
#70 floranista at 1:57 pm on May 02, 2007
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RIP has it right. I could only read a little of her rantings.

Did anyone even watch The View before the Thing's feud with the Donald? I was never a fan of Barbara Walters but it's painful seeing her credibility go down the toilet...

I much preferred Babwa Wawa.


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