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Loving God and Hating Jews
In Greece, a massive scandal has rocked the Orthodox Church. Several Bishops have been accused of trial-fixing, embezzlement, sex escapades and drug dealing. The head of the church, Archbishop Christodoulos, has lost the confidence of the public, with Greek society evenly split on whether he should resign. Polls show that for the first time ever there's wide support for the separation of church and state, unheard of in a country that is 97% Greek Orthodox and where the church has traditionally been credited with helping Greeks maintain their ethnic identity through five hundred years of Ottoman occupation.
I don't want to bore you with the details of the scandal, you can read all about it here, but here's what's troubling me: Vavilis, a key figure in this scandal and a man with murky connections to the Greek state and Archbishop Christodoulos, has told the press he had the Archbishop's backing when he conducted a dirty tricks election campaign for the current Jerusalem Patriarch Irineos. Archbichop Christodoulos denies this, but Irineos confirms that Vavilis was sent to him by Archbishop Christodoulos.
The Greek Orthodox Church is the oldest, richest and most powerful church in Jerusalem. As head of the Greek Orthodox Church, Irineos is responsible for its extensive land holdings, including the land on which the Knesset was built, the Prime Minister's and the President's official residences, parts of Jerusalem's wealthiest neighborhoods and many locations in the Old City.
(On a parenthetical note - isn't it funny how Jews manage to control the world but don't seem to have a very good handle on their own real estate?)
Irineos originally was appointed as the Jerusalem patriarch in September 2001 but Israel withheld approval because of his suspected support for Arafat. Israel had good reason. Here's an excerpt from a letter sent by Patriarch Irineos to Arafat:
"You are finally aware of the sentiments of disgust and disrespect that all the Holy Sepulcher Fathers are feeling for the descendants of the crucifiers of our Lord Jesus Christ, actual crucifiers of your people, Sionists (sic) Jewish conquerors of the Holy Land of Palestine.Patriarch Irineos denied that he wrote this and he sued Ma'ariv, the newspaper that originally published the letter, but withdrew his lawsuit soon after and paid the newspaper's legal expenses. As Caroline Glick wrote in her January 30, 2004 column (from Frontpage Magazine - The Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem and Terror):
"Irineos has claimed that the letter is a forgery, but a police investigation, which was closed two weeks ago, substantiated its authenticity. Sources close to the investigation say that three people were with Irineos when he penned the letter and all provided testimony to the police that the letter was authentic."And who can forget his former spokesman Attallah Hanna who was urging Arab Christians to join forces with Muslims and take part in suicide attacks against Israel? The Patriarch supposedly distanced himself from Hanna, but during the 2003 Easter celebration, Irineos "greeted Hanna with kisses and hugs, seated him to his right and had him translate his Greek remarks into Arabic for the audience."1
It has also been widely reported that Irineos promised to give Arafat church property in Jerusalem as a gift. Patriarch Irineos has denied that he's pro-Palestinian, saying "I'm not pro-anything, I'm only pro-God."
On Monday, the 28th of February, I watched a talk show on Antenna TV about the church scandal. Archbishop Christodoulos was represented by his lawyer, Mr. Dimitrakopoulos. The Archbishop was being accused of having closer ties with Vavilis than he was willing to admit, and there was evidence to back up that assertion by several journalists on the panel. Mr Dimitrakopoulos poo-pooed the accusations that Archbishop Christodoulos had sent Vavilis to Jerusalem with fake passports and identity papers, by saying "Yes, the Archbishop would make midnight trips to his basement where he keeps all the equipment for making fake passports and ids and he made a fake passport for this person. Come on, people, let's get serious here..."
At that point, a well-respected journalist, Spyros Karatzaferis, brought to the lawyer's attention that Vavilis had close ties with people in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs who in turn had close ties with Archbishop Christodoulos; the fake passports and papers Vavilis was given before his Jerusalem trip, were provided through a collaboration between Christodoulos and people in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and they were not fake, they may have had fake names but all the rest was authentic and perfectly proper.
The lawyer was taken aback a bit at the journalists' insistence I guess, because that's when he brought out the big guns: "I will tell you, I wasn't going to tell you yet, but I will tell you - the Archbishop told me this. You know who's behind this? A very powerful religious group - not a Christian religion - the same group who threatened the Archbishop back then about the identity cards. They are the most powerful group on earth."
Here's what the lawyer is talking about: In 2001, Archbishop Christodoulos blamed the Jews for being behind the government's decision to abide by European Union rules opposed to stating one's religion on the new state identity cards, which have a standard format for EU member countries.2 His claims were publicised in the media and expounded on by various commentators in newspapers and television channels.
So I guess this is a personal vendetta by the world's organized Jewry against the good Archbishop. I guess Jews just have it in for him. I'm sure it has nothing to do with anti-Semitism at all or
... the traditional attitude of the Greek Orthodox Church, which unlike the Roman Catholic Church, has not yet absolved the Jews for their alleged responsibility for the death of Jesus or removed such references from its liturgy. During Easter Holy Week, for example, the Jews are repeatedly called Theoktoni (God killers) and “an impious and illegitimate people."Here's how life is for a rabbi in Greece3:
Rabbi Mordechai Frisis' calling in life: "to save the remnant of Salonika's once-vibrant Jewish community from extinction… Living in Greek society is no easy task for a religious Jew, as anti-Semitism is rampant. I walk around with a cap because there have really been some problems. There is antisemitism in Greece," the rabbi notes. More than a year ago, while visiting the community, Frisis was attacked and physically beaten at the city's train station… "Greece is a very traditional Christian society, and they blame the Jews for killing Jesus. There are still people who believe that Jews drink the blood of Christians on Pessah."
| Anti-Semitic Cartoons in the Greek Press | |
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| (Eleftherotypia daily newspaper) Someone in the background: "Do you think that the Lord may be related to Hamas? Every time he is resuscitated they kill him again". (the killers walking away are an Israeli and a US soldier) | (In Eleftherotypia, after the assassination of Sheikh Yassin) The woman asks: “Why did the Jewish Government kill a religious leader?" The man answers, “They are practicing for Easter." |
Anti-Semitism is still rampant in Greece, a country that voted against the creation of Israel - the only European country to do so. It's fed by the media, by the politicians, by various government officials. One would expect the religious leaders to set a good example, to enlighten the people instead of propagating ancient blood libels. Shame on them.
References
1. A thimbleful of good cognac to Jefe for contributing this link. [back to article]
2. Anti-Semitism in Greece - Embedded in Society [back to article]
3. Twenty-five months of anti-Semitic invective in Greece [back to article]
Posted by zorkmidden on Mar 03, 2005 10:00 am
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Holy Shit. Anyone who voted for this nitfuck deserves the government that they've gotten. I feel sorry for the
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[ #3 ]/ Cam: I know the Chinese do that and that there are networks who loan money to
#5 zorki: She should be tried, then, for the crime of dumbfuckery - assuming that that is is a
#2 zorki: They work it off when they arrive.
A little OT, but every time I read the stories about illegal immigrants who come to the West for jobs,
packen, if you haven't seen "Fallen", you should.
[ #8 ]/ RWC: And when you're not robbing people of their bling, you can commiserate with evariste about
' Of course, I have no way of knowing if the Tamils’ claims are genuine: post-civil war Sri Lanka
It _ was _ surprising, but I felt the movie sacrificed its own internal logic and mood for the sake
[ #4 ]/ zorkmidden #3 RWC: Happy birthday, old man. Don't join a gang
[ PA arrests two Hamas members for the terror attack ]/ . The [ JPost article ]/ does not
[ #5 ]/ king's shadow: It surprised me and I liked it.
[ #6 ]/ Thousand Sons: And they wouldn't drop out of school if only they had schools. Or alarms.
The Fallen was a good movie, but I didn't like/buy the final twist.
Because gangbangers wouldnt be thuggin' or making quick, illegal cash if they just had _ jobs _ .
[ #2 ]/ zorkmidden: There's definitely a simlarity.
[ #1 ]/ zorkmidden Nice chilling story for a * hot day * . Which
' Is there a leak? Does anyone know? ' Apparently a small leak, that's not associated with
It reminded me a little bit of the movie " [ Fallen". ]/
78 comments, latest by Thousand Sons at 5:01 pm 7/14
This one wouldn't.
Great entry, zork. This thread topic is worthy of being in a magazine. You're outdoing the so-called professional journalists.
What you've pointed out is extremely important on a world-historical scale. For many centuries (to be perfectly frank) the major Christian institutions had been anti-Semitic and anti-Jewish. This started probably as far back as the Council of Nicea in the 300s AD, and continued on an official basis up until Vatican II in 1966.
But since 1966, and especially since 2001, Christians have come to their senses and realized that they need to be on the side of the Jews, and what they really need to be worrying about is Islam. I think most of the protestants, especially in the US, have come down firmly in the pro-Semitic/pro-Zionist camp, and have become the Jews' strongest allies. And the Catholic Church has also mostly become pro-Semitic. And this is how things need to be.
But it looks like the Greek Orthodox Church is still stuck in the past. Of the three major branches of Christianity, they are the ones that have not emerged from their medieval mindset. (I'm talking about the Church leadership here, not necessarily every member of the Greek Orthodox religion). They need to be woken up to the fact that they are dancing with the devil when they try to cut deals with islamic terror groups. Because, as Christians, the Greek Orthodox count just as much as "infidels" to their bedfellows, and will be slated for beheading along with all the other infidels once the Caliphate takes over.
You'd think that 500 years of fighting the Ottomans who have made the Greeks realize that Islam --and not Judaism -- is a threat to them. What can we do to make them wake up to 21st political realities?
Amazing work, zorkie! Irineos is truly a contemptible individual and that the church would send him as its representative in Israel speaks volumes.
Zorkie
The point of civilization, the covenant with Hashem and the striving for refinement of mind and soul is to recognize morality and ethics
I and Thou
how to live a moral life..
and how to interact ethically with others
even though we are but dust and ashes, the world was created for those striving for righteousness
like you
zombie, first, as you said, the Church needs major reform, just like the Catholic Church went through with the second Vatican council. Additionally, the history of the Holocaust should be taught in schools - that has never been part of the curriculum in Greece. The Jewish history has been completely obliterated in favour of nationalism which identifies a Greek as a Greek Orthodox Christian. There should be laws against anti-Semitism and hate-speech, if there are, they're certainly not applied. The conspiracy theories, I don't even know how to start dealing with those, Jews are buying Crete to control the Aegean, Israel was responsible for the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, this is stuff that one sees in mainstream newspapers.
Some of this is reactionary behaviour - since Greeks did not have freedom of press or freedom of speech until the late 70s early 80s, they've taken this too far, many newspapers feature totally sloppy journalism and never any retractions or corrections of course.
But the serious demonisation of Israel that took place in Greece in the last 20 years under the PASOK government it's unparalleled anywhere else in Europe, imo. And that's the biggest problem of all because it's seeped in the Greek consciousness and it's part of everyday speech and everyday life, it's become normal.
hey ploomie :-)
zorkie, that is a great post! That is pretty much the first time that something I have HEARD of but placed little belief in the existence of (too conspiracy-ish for me) actually seemed to be (maybe) REAL?
So what is this non-Christian "most powerful group on earth" religious group that none of us have ever heard of?
I have something truly bizarre for you to look at, that I came across yesterday while basically looking for WALLPAPER (of all things) of the Sea of Galilee :OP
It is in regards to the Israeli Supreme Court building, and ties into the above quote - here is a snippet from it:
and here is a piccie of their finished product:
this thing is stationed at the Israeli/Egypt border, and is pretty much the first thing a person sees coming into Israel on this road:
Maybe there is more evidence than I knew that this stuff isn't just a crazy conspiracy theory. Dunno - its so outlandish that I deliberately haven't read much about it. But just LOOK at all this stuff! I knew I didn't like Shimon Peres. Horrid man. If he has been hanging out with this bunch, it might explain why he is always anxious to chop Israel to pieces. Perhaps Israel is not his first priority? Anyways its something to chew on!
Here's a couple of URLs on this guys site - warning: they are very strange, but then, so is all of this - personally I thought it was a myth 'til I read your post, zorkie
Some stuff about the Roadmap and that photo from above of the symbol at the border
the Supreme Court & this 'powerful' group
Replacement theology churches
zork, I really don't know if there is a road back for churches that tend to go the route of having at their CORE "replacement theology". It has a nasty side effect of seeming to create growing anti-Semitism, and it's just getting worse.
I heard last week that the "Worldwide Council of Churches" (bleh) is now pressurizing its members to divest from Israel (and back the terrorists basically).
This is what it says on the WCC (bleh) website about their membership:
It's getting worse, huh? I cannot fathom HOW it is that a church can go from completely disregarding the Jews (ignoring them) to HATING them and OPPOSING them and trying to HARM them, but it is happening within these groups.
Thank goodness they are outnumbered by outspoken churches and people who refuse to buy into any of this nonsense, but those are some pretty horrific membership numbers, huh? Just the fact that anti-Semitic propaganda may be directed on a regular basis at such large numbers of people is scary.
Jefe, in my rush to get to the presses before you, my always-ready, always-on-the-lookout competitor for scoops, I forgot to thank you for the link.
Situation remedied :-)
monkeyweather, I'm reading your links right now :-)
monkeyweather, I've heard similar conspiracy theories in Greece, except it's usually a collaboration between Jews (who control the world) and Freemasons (who also control the world) along with the Devil-Worshippers (who want to control the world) and the Bilderberg group (who in reality control the world).
well, someone has to control the world!
I'm working on it, ploomie, I'm working on it...
don't forget the cheques, Midden....
(dark malevolent laughter)
Jewmasons?
LOL!!
No problems, zorkie. I don't have time now to read the whole thing right now (lesson night), but those cartoons are awfully aggravating.
ahahah NO RipFord!
It's the Illumijewmi!
Or would that be the Jewminati?
Jewminati !! LOL!
"Жидома?оны" have been a staple of Russian antisemitic propaganda for at least a century.
What I think is very strange about this stuff is that I do struggle to NOT believe it. Now why is that? I dunno.
Perhaps mainly because I do not care for the notion of Organized Evil. Especially large scale organized.
Like, it's okay for good people to organize, and logical even, and palatable to believe they can do it over generations!
But bad people with bad goals? No, they can't organize or have structure or long range plans that carry out over decades or more.
Don't know why that is such a leap to me, but I really balk at analyzing this stuff to see if there is any possibility of it existing, despite evidence that it DOES exist.
Weird.
Okay, where were we? I think there is also the RosiJewcians ;o)
monkeyweather, I think you'd really enjoy this book, it's wonderful :-)
Them: Adventures with Extremists
don't tell them where the room is.................puleeeeeeze
ploome, LMAO!!
AHA! ploomie! You, you you....Room Knower! Is it pretty? The room, I mean?
cool zorks! I does sound fun (some of the writers on these topics take themselves SO seriously, have you noticed that? Maybe that is why they sound kinda crazy).
Hey, and it's only $3.31 on amazon ;o)
shhhhhhhhcan'ttalknowimbeingwatched
LOL!! ploome and monkeyweather, you guys are hysterical
Speaking of THEM, did any of you watch the Animaniacs episode where Pinky and the Brain figured out who T.H.E.Y. were - and infiltrated The Horde of Ecumenical Yodelers (which was made up of various world leaders) and held the key to the wisdom of the ages?
This is fascinating zorkie, thank you for a wonderful read. You have written about the anti-semitism in Greece but I had no idea it was so bad there. Why do they trot out that old canard "the Jews killed Jesus" - I don't want to think people give it any credence - they are deliberately provocative.
I am in the middle of Them; thanks for the recommendation. What a wild and wacky story, Ronson has just left Portugal after tracking down the shadowy Bilderberg group. WOW! Is he for real?
floranista, I know, lol, can you believe him? It's just as you said, wild and wacky :-)
Great post zorkie. I agree with zombie, this is professional quality writing and reporting.
Thanks, Sine :-)
actually, it way above the crap thats printed today.
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ploome, that was beautiful...
zorkie,
do we need to know Eleen Degenerate has polyps on her cervix?
i cant stand it............do we really need that announced on tv?
feh
ploome, lol, thank you, you're very sweet :-) This is funny, check it out: this forum linked to my post: rotter.net, but it's in Hebrew so I couldn't tell what they were saying, so ev did a machine translation:
I'm just cracking up about the "investigation video report thrills" LOL!!
LOL
btw, Mr Pol is on LGF now
.....going home now......the dogs are whining
see you all later
Well, I've certainly gotten a lot of cheap thrills here on the huge international blog! Haven't seen the video yet, though.
floranista, we'll have to start sending ev out with a camera - undercover, of course.
Lets not forget it was the Greeks who civilized the western world NOT the Jews! The Greeks feel that they are culturally SUPERIOR to the rest of Western Civilization,including the Jews[after all the Jews were on the barter system until Alexander the great conquered that part of the world]. The Greeks invented money and international trade and the Jews were 500 years BEHIND the Greeks cuturally according to the PBS TV Series "Kingdom of David". Hellenism and Judiaism are complete opposites of one another and that is why Ithink the term Greek Anti -Semtism IS misconstrued or mis -used. If the Greek People were Anti-Semetic WHY DO ALL THE JEWS IN NEW YORK EAT IN GREEK DINERS AND RETAURANTS? Greece is a poor Country that depends on tourism to survive. Its also surrounded by many Arab countries.From a business standpoint,its wise for the Greeks to trade with the Arab World[the are more Arabs than there are Jews].Greek Shipowners made millions transporting Arab Oil on their tankers since the 1950's. Greece ENJOYS favored nation status in the Arab World. Last Year just before the Olympic Games,the whole world Screamed "Greece isn't safe! The Olympic Games Will be a Disaster! Bernard Goldberg fom HBO did a Special and Knocked Greek Security,HBO said only Baghdad would be a worse place to hold the Olympics.Jim Rome[who is Jewish] said "this will be the worst Olympics Ever", ESPN Rome's Network and Sports Illustrated {BOTH CONTROLLED BY JEWS }MERCILESSLY POUNDED AWAY ON GREECE IN THE MONTHS AND DAYS BEFORE THE OLYMPICS! Eight months later we all know the Olympic games were safe AND A BIG SUCCESS! IT WAS ALL JEWISH BULLSHIT AND MEDIA PROPAGANDA! IF the Olympics were in Israel And a Greek Sports caster like Bob Costas or Mike Galanos said Israel wasn't safe to hold the Olympic Games THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN CRUCIFED LIKE CHRIST! YOU KNOW 100% THIS IS TRUE! THE WOULD HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS! DID YOU JEWS KNOW THAT IN THE ANCIENT OLYMPICS JEWISH ATHELETES AND CONTESTANTS HAD PLASTIC SURGERY FROM GREEK DOCTORS TO HAVE THEIR FORESKINS RE-ATTACHED BEFORE BEING ALLOWED TO COMPETE IN THE OLYMPIC GAMES? I THINK THATS SO FUNNY! HA! HA! YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS FUNNY?,WHEN THE ISRAELI LEADERS GET ON TV AND SAY ISRAEL IS THE ONLY DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST.THE GREEKS INVENTED DEMOCRACY 2500 YEARS AGO WHEN THE JEWS WERE SUCKING ON CAMEL SHIT IN THE DESERT! TODAY IF THE GREEKS WERE LIVING ON THE WEST BANK AND GAZA DO YOU JEWS THINK FOR ONE SECOND WE WOULD BE LIVING IN SQUALOR LIKE THE PALESTINIANS? DO YOU THINK WE WOULD TAKE THAT SHIT FROM YOU? IMAGINE BEING SURROUNDED BY 2-3 MILLION GREEKS? YOU JEWS WOULD REALLY SHIT YOUR PANTS! WE WOULDN'T,NEED SUICIDE BOMBERS! A GREEK SCIENTIST WOULD BUILD A BOMB BY COMPUTER AND BLOW UP TEL AVIV! WE'RE NOT STUPID LIKE THE ARABS! TELL ME HOW COME THE CHILDREN OF THE HOLOCAUST[A GREEK WORD} SIDES WITH TURKEY AND HAS TURKEY FOR AN ALLY WHEN THE TURKS COMMITED GENOCIDE AGAINST GREEKS AND ARMENIANS SINCE 1453!
Zork LOL!!!! Bloggie wants its own Vlog!!!
Zeus, bite my ass you pathetic little Jew-hater.
And while he's biting your ass, zorkie, should someone tell him his caps lock is on?
Oh, that's right, he's SHOUTING like his idol Adolf. My bad.
And of course his brilliant logic just stuns me. The superior Greek intellect strikes again.
Yes. According to my illustrious son, there are several Jews in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn who do not eat in Greek diners, for some reason that I can't quite recall...
Pete - Yeah, he worked himself up into a serious froth. Did Hitler at least pause for paragraph breaks?
Well, this guy obviously had his other hand on the throttle, nudge nudge...
I love Greek food. Therefore, all Greeks are superior to other ethnic groups. It goes without saying really.
1. Good point. Causing Jews to shit their pants would certainly cause them do accede to your wishes. Crapping for Social Justice!
2. What's with the "we"?
3. Would "you Jews would really shit your pants" be an acceptable rotating title?
I thought I wouldn't have to deal with Greek idiots until next week but I guess the gods decided I should start early.
LMAO!!!
Zorkie,
You missed a very important point here. He did NOT say Greek were not anti-semitic. He said they were not anti-semetic. So... they have nothing against semen. This worries me, because I prefer seedless souvlaki.
Portia -- who hasn't had any coffee yet, but DOES like Souvlaki. (Join the American non-sequitur society. We don't make sense but we like pizza!)
Greek food is, absolutely and positively, the bomb. zorkie, tell me that somewhere (preferably Chicago or Milwaukee) there is a glatt kosher Greek restaurant so my son won't starve me to death this summer?
Portia, LOL!!!
Pete, the only Greek kosher thing that I know is kasseri cheese - it's name is a paraphrase of "kasser" which is a paraphrase of "kosher." The rest is a free for all! LOL!
You mean that Greeks could actually build a more functional society than the Palestinians?
You must be very proud.
zorkie, that's what I was afraid of... when packen (who is as unabashedly as secular an eater as my Christian self) and I used to wander through the streets of Astoria looking for the ultimate Greek eatery, she would pass the butcher shops and see rabbits, pigs and all manner of other creatures hanging in the window. "Wow," she would say. "This is really treyf."
I'm glad Michael wasn't even a gleam in my eye back then...
In Salonica there's this place called "Stoa Molho", it's like a street but covered like a tunnel, and it has all these shops and stalls selling meat and fish. They clean the fish right there too, so the ground is always wet because of melting ice and fish guts and there are crowds of people pushing and shoving each other because the prices are very good and the meats and fish are fresh but the smell..omg...There's nothing worse that I've smelled, it just makes me gag. So even though all of Salonica shops there, this Thessalonikia does not.
Kinda like the Pike Place Market (Seattle) on steroids, sounds like...
What's funny is that it's a tourist attraction for foreigners 'cause it's kinda like a souk so here are the groups of German and Dutch tourists innocently walking towards the stoa, smiling, chatting and then you see the expressions on their faces slowly change to horror as they see the goats hanging skinned but with their eyeballs staring at people, or whole boars (still unskinned) hanging upside down not to mention the lambs, fish, chickens and so on.
There's a cafe nearby, on Aristotelous square that I sit and watch this when I'm there, lol, it's away from the smell but you can still see people's reactions. So I laugh because you can see the foreigners craning their necks and wrinkling their noses and lifting up their pants legs and being oh-so-hesitant about the whole thing, lol, while all the little Greek old ladies push and shove each other to get to the best fish.
those cartoons are bad, Zork thanks for info. There are differences,and there are accusations. I rather talk about differences and no accusations. That is I try... I wanted to cut/paste the big fat greek wedding guy with windex but could not,accept it as is.
As far as I am able to tell by reading these comments, some Jews hate Greeks and some Greeks hate Jews. And certainly some of both peoples consider themselves superior to all other races. And both publish ugly rumors and / or facts about the other. Whether any of the allegations are proven or provable is questionable on the basis of mere statements. Were any of us there?
One thing seems to be more and more obvious: that partisans (whatever their respective unifying ideologies) tend to prophesy others and themselves by reciprocal prejudice and hatred, becoming what they hate while on a mission to be sure that everyone else knows that the adversary has the hated characteristics or history.
The emotions of the Greek poster are considered to be something to deride, even as he speaks derision and shows some fear with the caps on. And so how is this different than the Cain and Abel scenario, whereby Greeks make caricatures of Jews and Jews make caricatures of Greeks, on the road to objectifying the adversary?
garbage-in garbage out
While I am no fan of the Greek Church leadership, I can't really claim any enenimity towards the Greeks. The Rabbis held the Greeks in high esteem, especially for thier scientific acumen. I am an orthodox Jew (some would say ultra-orthodox) but you have to respect Greek culture which has had as big an impact on the secular world as Judaism has had on the religious world.
As for Greek food, I've had some Greek dishes (yes, you can do Greek kosher), I like Gyros :-). Alexander was a Greek and he was regarded as a decent chap by the rabbinic authorities of his day. True, we did expel the hellenist Antiochus but then again, even the Greeks mocked him by changing Antiochus Epiphanes to Antiochus Epihanes (Tony the Divine to Tony the Crazy) so I don't think you could call him a paragon of Greek virtue. More to the point, the real war fought by the Hasmoneans was against apostacy within the Jewish nation more than a revolt against the Greeks.
As for Zeus.... well, didn't he get his jollies by schtuping Greek chicks in the form of a bull, or goose or horse. Gotta wonder about that.
well living in greece i would say that there is no antisemetism and the pictures you saw are not antijewish,but they criticize the policy of the jewish state toward the palestinian problem.That paper doesnt reprsesent the majority of native greek people.Actually in greece we admire people of israel(christian arabs and jews),we dislike muslims,but you know if you look in our history jews in greece sided many times with turks and exclued in violent ways greeks from econimical proffitable positions.They oppressed along with albanians and turks in many ways during the ottoman slavery and that the reason of antijewish statements,but not toward people.Actually most of them criticize zionism and the elit of jewry bankers and politicians.Greeks know very well that jews live in palestine since the era of alexander and antiochus the great,we are not islamists or aryan supremasists(like old germans and norse europeans),we never sent jews to concetration camps here in greece.We attacked only in those communities which helped the turkish tyrrants or sided with them.During 1941 we offer them in thes/niki christian identities and we werent like bulgarians,albanians,croatians,hungarians or chech who chazed them.Sometimes you shouldnt listen to rabbies because like this one is lying,i know this society whole decade,thats bullshit.Well the truth is that nowdays a rabbi cant walk in many areas of greece because of illegal muslim immigrants(pakis,afgans,egyptians,syrians) who are mostly barbarians and well their behaviour is antigreek and desrespecting toward greek native people.Well if you are a rabbi there areas here and in patra,that they wouldinsult or kill stab you,but i think rabbis here know it very well.Also i cant stand delebarating lies like in pasha clerics say that jews(the people) are those who killed jesus and so they must be killed,even in strict christian orgnanisation ivent heard that kind of crap. "the Jews are repeatedly called Theoktoni " have you single evidence of a orthodox priest saying that,ofcourse the jewish council that condemn him are theoktoni for us(orthodox) and the people that voted in favor of barabas,but jesus and all of his followers were jews,so what kind of bitching is this?Many want to present our country as antisemetic and the rest in order to demand priviledges and gains from greek people(and the israeli gov is one of them,yes they dont hate our people but they want a free share of our unexploited land sources).Well i must be honest we dont hate jewish people,nobody in the church do it(maybe some neopagans do it,but they are not more than 100-500),but yes,many people of intelligence dislike the religion of judaism like many dislike in israel the religion of islam,not for the race that follow it(jews).
It's part of the official Orthodox liturgy. Go to your church to hear the evidence for yourself.
One Greek, two opinions.
One Greek, five conspiracies.
Ah, yes, the people of intelligence...Like you.zorkie, lol!!!
His comment is full of contradictory statements, "we're not antisemitic, we just criticize the elite of Jewish bankers and politicians", "we don't call Jews 'Godkillers', we just think it", "it's not Jews we hate, it's Israel", "we are right to hate Jews because they want our land", "we don't attack Jews, we only attack them because they sided with the Turks", "we don't hate Jews, we just don't like them" "and anyway it's the Muslims that are bad and are doing all this!"
The lack of page breaks and capitalization makes Baby Jesus cry.
I have a hard time believing anyone whose screen name is 'lies'. Just sayin'.
Maybe it's pronounced "Leess".
Or maybe he's a Cretan.
What's a nice Haredi boy doing with a name like Andrew, and an email address that alludes to witchcraft?
#69 zorkmidden: He could've saved himself 2278 keystrokes by simply stating: "We are not antisemites, but we really really really don't like the Jews."
#75 packen: Yeah, but that would be economizing and Greeks are nothing if not generous.
Or, "we're not Anti-Semites. We like Arabs, Syriacs, Arameans, Assyrians, Akkadians, Chaldeans, Ammonites, Moabites, and Edomites."
How do you feel about Sodomites? ;-)