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It's a warning leaflet distributed by Israeli Defense Forces for the safety of Lebanese civilians--warning them to evacuate their cities and villages so that Hezbollah will not use them as human shields.

The USAAF dropped warning leaflets over Hiroshima, but the citizenry were ordered not to read them under threat of arrest.

That does not excuse America's guilt in the greatest crime in history.

/need I?

Michel Malkin is alwasy so right on.

Anyone got picks of her naked?

/just kidding.

/sorta.

Maybe the next time the IDF shouldn't give Hizbollywood a scenario to follow.

Sure, they drop leaflets, but then they bomb vehicles leaving the area... So the civilians are still trapped in the danger areas because they're too afraid. If they stay, they'll be bombed. If they run, they'll be bombed. Turn off the propaganda and open yer eyes.

If the Israelies are so pure of heart, then how come Lebanese civilian casualities have been so high.

Michelle, you disappoint me. So pretty, yet so narrow-minded...

If the Israelies are so pure of heart, then how come Lebanese civilian casualities have been so high.

I take it if a gang of murderers break into your house and kill one of your children and you could strike back, you'd only kill one of them, right? That would be the proportionate response and you'd let the other murderers walk away unharmed, because after all they only killed one of yours and you killed one of theirs in return. So all's well.

Turn off the propaganda and open yer eyes.

If the Israelies are so pure of heart, then how come Lebanese civilian casualities have been so high.

I saw a videoclip in the news of a Hezbollah rocket launcher returning to the house that was bombed (before it was bombed).

So I wonder a little at the fury directed at Israel while there's not a word of condemnation about Hezbollah hiding among civilians and using civilians as shields in order to launch attacks.

If the Israelies are so pure of heart, then how come Lebanese civilian casualities have been so high.

What part of "Hezbollah uses civilians as human shields" do you not understand?

And for the record: yes, I regret that there is certain number (however inflated by Palliwwod and their allies in the Western media) of Arab children who won't ever again stick needles in their little Jew-dolls (or whatever it is that Arab children do). I would have preferred to have adult Hez fighters in their place, as no doubt would Israel.

But, war is hell. Can't stand the heat, get out of the shitter.

But remember, it's propoganda.

I'm not even going to say that it breaks my heart to see little kids dead and injured because I believe it's obvious that it would; seeing little children killed breaks the heart of every normal person, whether the dead are Arab babies or Jewish babies, makes no difference. But there's one difference: I don't celebrate the deaths of little Arab babies but I know that many Arabs celebrate the deaths of little Jewish babies.

In the movie Obsession what made my blood chill was the little children parading through the streets of Beirut dressed as suicide bombers, with masks and (fake?) guns. That parade was from a few years ago but it was only a few days ago that Nasrallah was bragging about how they take them young and teach them to love death. Indeed that's what he has done.

So I wonder a little at the fury directed at Israel while there's not a word of condemnation about Hezbollah hiding among civilians and using civilians as shields in order to launch attacks.

afw, Israel is expected to care about its enemy's civilian population more than the enemy does.

Cry to those using babies

Terrorists and their supporters have lost the right to complain about civilian casualties, since all they have is one goal: this entire war is to target civilians. Every single one of the more than 2,500 rockets launched into Israel, is launched into populated towns filled with women and children. Just today, another explosive belt meant to kill civilians in Israel was detonated harmlessly by our forces in Nablus.

So don't cry to me about civilian casualties. Cry to those using babies and wives and mothers; cry to those who store weapons in mosques, ambulances, hospitals and private homes. Cry to those launching deadly rockets from the backyards of kindergartens and schools. Cry to the heartless men who love death, and however many of their troops or civilians die, consider themselves victorious as long as they can keep on firing rockets at our women and children.

Save your sympathy for the mothers and sisters and girlfriends of our young soldiers who would rather be sitting in study halls learning Torah, but have no choice but to risk their precious lives full of hope, goodness and endless potential, to wipe out the cancerous terrorist cells that threaten their people and all mankind. Make your choice, and save your tears.

That terrorists have been unsuccessful in killing more of our women and children is due to our army, God and prayers, not to any lack of motivation or intention on their part. If you hide behind your baby to shoot at my baby, you are responsible for getting children killed. You and you alone.

Sorry, world

Sorry, world. Sorry for again being bad, and barbaric, and pulverizing. Sorry for again realizing your wild anti-Semitic fantasy, to view us as a real thorn in the flesh of the Middle East, not to mention the entire world.

And all this so that next time there's a bloody terror attack in Spain, Britain, or anywhere else, you can self-righteously sigh and "understand" the motives, because after all the Israelis are at fault for everything.

"It's not us," you'll utter with glee, "it's them." They were the ones who actually also sent the Americans to Iraq, no? They have some group there of the Elders of Zion, which rules the world. We read it somewhere.

CNN poll on whether Israel justified - Split 50/50

Sorry, Omer, sorry we did not drag all news agencies crews and foreign correspondents and al-Jazeera to the site and turned to the United Nations Security Council and organized around-the-clock protest rallies and screamed, the second that cursed rocket fell on your home and killed you and grandma.

Joem, that is a great piece.

Thanks for the enlightened response. You really have changed the way I view the world with your intelligent commentary.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Would I have a reaction to someone hurting a loved one of mine? Yes. Would hurting that person make my lost loved one come back? No.

That's a personal view and doesn't really apply here.

These are countries that are responsible for millions of lives.

I mean, in no way, to justify Hezbollah's actions. Israel's actions, however, are even worse.

A Hezbolla fighter goes back to his home. That's right, because he's fighting on his soil. At this point in the conflict, with Israel's enormous moblization, he's now fighting for his soil.

Both sides are guilty of attrocities. However, you seem to think it's okay for Israel to commit attrocities while the Lebanese' actions are unforgiveable.

You don't understand them. You don't understand their culture. You don't understand their way of thinking. You only think you understand thost of the Israelies, so you automatically clamber to their sides like sheep.

Your ignorance and petty idealism and violent natures is appalling.

Zorkmidden, I'm not unloading all of that on you. The second half of that post applies to this entire forum.

Your ignorance and petty idealism and violent natures is appalling.

Eric- Hezb'Allah fires rockets into Israel from civilian neighborhoods. Hezb'Allah's rockets target civilians.

Your moral compass seems stuck on 'E'.

A Hezbolla fighter goes back to his home. That's right, because he's fighting on his soil. At this point in the conflict, with Israel's enormous moblization, he's now fighting for his soil.

Awww, that's so romantic. Perhaps he should have stayed on his soil and stop launching rockets onto Israeli soil.

A Hezbolla fighter goes back to his home. That's right, because he's fighting on his soil. At this point in the conflict, with Israel's enormous moblization, he's now fighting for his soil.

You are aware Israel hasn't occupied any of Lebanon for years when Hezb'Allah crossed the border, killed 8 IDF troops, and kidnapped the other two, no?

So, the Nazis were the good guys in 1945 before the Americans and Russians were occupying German lands?

because, not before.

You don't understand them. You don't understand their culture. You don't understand their way of thinking.

A Hezbolla fighter goes back to his home. That's right, because he's fighting on his soil.

These are countries that are responsible for millions of lives.

I mean, in no way, to justify Hezbollah's actions.

Israel's actions, however, are even worse.

A Hezbolla fighter goes back to his home. That's right, because he's fighting on his soil. At this point in the conflict, with Israel's enormous moblization, he's now fighting for his soil.

Both sides are guilty of attrocities. However, you seem to think it's okay for Israel to commit attrocities while the Lebanese' actions are unforgiveable.

You don't understand them. You don't understand their culture. You don't understand their way of thinking.

You only think you understand thost of the Israelies, so you automatically clamber to their sides like sheep.

A Hezbolla fighter goes back to his home. That's right, because he's fighting on his soil. At this point in the conflict, with Israel's enormous moblization, he's now fighting for his soil.

Well of course you do. It's because Hezbollah has been launching a jillion rockets onto Israeli soil.

Surely you're not suggesting that Israel doesn't have the right to go after these killers, are you?

Imagine that your job is to defend Isreal and protect her people -- what is your response?

And remember, "I don't know, but Israel's actions are wrong" is not going to cut it.

Isreal Israel

Christ, I don't ever remember screwing that one up before. Sheesh.

Your ignorance and petty idealism and violent natures is appalling.

First, enough of my neighbors have arrived safely back here in Michigan from southern Lebanon to suggest to me that there is sufficient time between notice and bombing to leave town. They did.

Next, part of the reason is that Israel builds shelters for their people, and reinforces dwellings generally, due to the past several years of persistant shelling by Kaytushas.

Next, body counts are irrelevant. When I enlisted in the Army, 1968, we had 500 dead soldiers coming home per week. So far Lebanon has lost what 400 + total in a month? Please excuse me if I am not grief stricken.

Finally, examine the event that caused this latest expansion of conflict. There was no Israeli bombardment of Lebanon in June. Life was good, tourism was up, the economy beginning to grow. Then, in July, Hizzbollah decided to mount an attack inside Israeli territory, south of the Blue Line. Furhter they decided, again, to shell norhtern Israel with Kaytusha rockets indiscriminately.

When seeking to find someone one to blame, seek first the one who loosed the dogs of war.

One stupid uncalled for aggressive act can activate the law of unintended consequences. It did. That's War.

Class dismissed.

[Please don't insult my intelligence with any Shabaa Farms argument...unless you are much older than me, Shabaa Farms was never Lebanese territy in your lifetime....ask Syria if you don't believe me...they lost it]

Your ignorance and petty idealism and violent natures is appalling.

Sorry. Here, have a flower...

Boo ficking hoo

We shouldn't expect too much from him though.
I mean, it takes years to undo the brainwashing and indoctrination that students are subjected to by cults their proffs. And besides, critical thinking is just too hard. It's easier to just say, "I deserved that" after the bully hits you and give him 25 cents instead of ten next time.

Your ignorance and petty idealism and violent natures is appalling.

Sorry. Here, have a flower...

Except for the flower, though. He'd probably be holding a Sig Sauer, not his favorite, but what was issued to him.

Zork, that was from a portion of that post that was meant to be directed at a more general population that looked like a finger pointed at you becaust I formatted poorly. That's my mistake.

It was a reaction to quotes such as:

I regret that there is certain number (however inflated by Palliwwod and their allies in the Western media) of Arab children who won't ever again stick needles in their little Jew-dolls (or whatever it is that Arab children do).

Which I hear and read almost constantly. Examples of ignorance that people almost take pride in. How can one expect to have one's judgement respected when they celebrate not knowing what they're talking about?

#42 Eric

Do you claim to be unaware of the culture of antisemitism among Muslims generally, and Arabs especially and specifically?

Perhaps you are the one who doesn't know what he's talking about.

I'm not trying to be moral. I think "Moralism" is part of the problem here. It's not just a political fight, it's a religious one, which is even worse.

I can't solve the problem and you're right, that doesn't cut it. But can you? (Oh, and kill 'em all isn't an acceptable solution)

Eric, in case I haven't made it sufficiently clear, I don't give a forcible assfuck (or a consensual one, for that matter) whether the likes of you "respect my judgement" or not.

In fact, it would be grounds for concern if you suddenly found something I said agreeable.

(Oh, and kill 'em all isn't an acceptable solution)

I don't claim to know everything. I only ask people to consider another reaction besides the seething hatred and irrational violence.

I'm aware of the anti-semitism. I'm aware that much of the modern version stems from the establishment of the Israel state in not-so-friendly soil following World War II.

I'm also aware of the huge anti-Muslim sentiment.

Again, I'm not justifying or condoning Hezbollah's actions. I'm questioning Israel's.

I can't solve the problem and you're right, that doesn't cut it. But can you? (Oh, and kill 'em all isn't an acceptable solution)

Hizballa can:
- Give back the two hostages.
- Stop firing rockets.

I think then Israel would stop.

I can't solve the problem and you're right, that doesn't cut it. But can you? (Oh, and kill 'em all isn't an acceptable solution)

You go ahead and pretend that that's what they're doing, and keep criticizing them for doing it, if it makes you happy.

Congratulations, you managed to put together more than one complete sentence in a row. Pat yourself on the back. You should probably rest though, I know this is hard for you.

I'm aware of the anti-semitism. I'm aware that much of the modern version stems from the establishment of the Israel state in not-so-friendly soil following World War II.

I would suggest that you are the one with the tenuous grasp of history.

Fuck, Eric have used sarcasm. I'm powerless against his rhetorical brilliance.

The modern conflict. Poor word choice on my part.

Eric- liberal arts major, aren't you. So confident of your own knowledge, yet without a clue how the real world works.

Eric, really, it's as simple as this:

I'm aware of the anti-semitism. I'm aware that much of the modern version stems from the establishment of the Israel state in not-so-friendly soil following World War II.

Another lies in the upsurge in Islamic fundamentalism, dating back, perhaps, to the founding of the Islamic Brotherhood in 1928 (which you'll notice is before the founding of the modern state of Israel).

You might also want to go do some research in a primary source like the Koran.

Go ahead, just Google Koran (or Quran) + antisemitism, and you'll probably get about a jillion hits suggesting Koranic verses you might want to read up on.

You can also Google Koran + online to find online Koran translations, because you'll probably want to independently verify that these verses are really there, and that it's not just "wingnut" websites yanking your chain.

Eric...

How can one expect to have one's judgement respected when they celebrate not knowing what they're talking about?

Next...Lebanon....became an independant country in 1943, previously a French manadate, then a Syrian territory. Just what is the great ancestral claim here? The Israelis agreed to and signed accepting the Blue Line in 2000. So did the Lebanese government. So did the UN. Lebanon then prospered and rebuilt.

Who violated the agreement?

It's really foolish to start a war you can't finish, then embarass yourself by running to the world community screaming "unfair" and "atrocity." Trust me, no one really gives a shit.

Here's a little exercise that is fun to do.

What would happen if Hezbollah and all the Arab terrorist groups lay down their weapons tomorrow?

What would happen if Israel did?

It's very simple - it takes two sides to make peace, but only one side to make war. That side isn't Israel. But when war is chosen, Israel has an absolute right to defend themselves and do whatever it takes to ensure their survival and safety.

What would happen if Hezbollah and all the Arab terrorist groups lay down their weapons tomorrow?

What would happen if Israel did?

#47 Eric

I only ask people to consider another reaction besides the seething hatred and irrational violence.

Are you good with that?

'Cause we're all about the rational violence.

Lewis: I'm not denying the existence of anti-semitism, nor its existence before WWII. What I'm challenging is Israel's perceived innocence.

Joem: I really don't think it's that simple. Because, even if Hezbolla were to stop it all right now and give back the two hostages, there'd be another conflict around the corner from another Islamic extremist faction. (P.S. Not challenging you, but more of a general question... Weren't there three hostages? Didn't an Israeli soldier get taken a couple days or a week before the raid?)

Ed: I'm more confident in my lack of knowledge, which is why I question the one-sided, fundamentalist reactions that this conflict has drawn.

To all: I apologize if I offended with this:

You don't understand them. You don't understand their culture. You don't understand their way of thinking. You only think you understand thost of the Israelies, so you automatically clamber to their sides like sheep.

Your ignorance and petty idealism and violent natures is appalling.

That was 100% emotional and unreasonable. I had something else in mind and it didn't come out nearly as I intended.

seething hatred

"Marines seethe, win."

Your ignorance and petty idealism and violent natures is appalling.

Sorry. Here, have a flower...

:-D

What I'm challenging is Israel's perceived innocence.

We'd been trying the latter for two millenia, and eventually decided against it.

annie! I LOVE it! I didn't know that!

I mean

#61 Eric

Because, even if Hezbolla were to stop it all right now and give back the two hostages, there'd be another conflict around the corner from another Islamic extremist faction.

Surely you're not suggesting that the source of all this violence is not Israel?

Heavens to Mergatroid!

As airforcewife suggested, if neighboring Muslims stop killing Israelis, then there can be peace.

If not, those neighboring Muslims better be prepared to meet Allah up close and personal like.

Because, even if Hezbolla were to stop it all right now and give back the two hostages, there'd be another conflict around the corner from another Islamic extremist faction.

It's not Israel's problem yet Israel is expected to deal with this problem and in a fashion that suits the most sensitive Westerners among us.

When Arafat was screaming "Jihad! Jihad! Jihad!" was that the call of an "Islamic extremist faction"? No. He was the leader of the Palestinian people and led them to jihad and Palestinians and Israelis have been paying the price.

On a personal level, do you care about the people who want to murder you and your family more than you care about yourself and your family? You said earlier that I'm comparing apples and oranges, but I'm not really. The analogy stands.

On a personal level, do you care about the people who want to murder you and your family more than you care about yourself and your family? You said earlier that I'm comparing apples and oranges, but I'm not really. The analogy stands.

afw, probably because it's easier sometimes to think in generalities than specifics.

Also, it's easy enough when you're telling someone else to do it. When it suddenly becomes your problem, it has to be "different" or it makes you a hypocrite.

I don't understand the logic of "your neighbours hate you and want to kill you, so you better decide it's hopeless and lay down your arms and go curl up in some corner and die."

Nonetheless, large or small, I am sure this will not be on the MSM.

#61 Eric:

What I'm challenging is Israel's perceived innocence.

Israel's perceived innocence exists because she is innocent. Hizbollah attacked. Israel attacked back. Israel is innocent according to international law. Hizbollah uses civilians as human shields. Human shields get killed. Hizbollah is responsible according to international law and justice. End of case. End of story.

I really don't think it's that simple. Because, even if Hezbolla were to stop it all right now and give back the two hostages, there'd be another conflict around the corner from another Islamic extremist faction. (P.S. Not challenging you, but more of a general question... Weren't there three hostages? Didn't an Israeli soldier get taken a couple days or a week before the raid?)

As for there being 3 hostages, yes, you're right. There was one soldier kidnapped in Gaza, and when Israel went in after him, she got slammed for that just like she's getting slammed for Lebanon.

So what's new? Israel can do no right in the eyes of the world. So stuff the world and we'll do what's necessary for our survival.

One soldier is being held by the terrorists in Gaza. I thought we were talking about Lebanon and Hizballa.

As for the "atrocities" - Israel does not target civilians, but rather tries to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible; Hizballa hides behind civilians, and is happy when they are killed. The building in Qana, from which terrorists were firing rockets, didn't collapse until 7-8 hours after it was struck by Israel - meaning that there is a great probability that either either a) Hizballa blew the building up themselves or b) the explosion which caused the building collapse was caused by booby-traps or stored ammunition which was triggered by Hizballa accidentally.

So what's new? Israel can do no right in the eyes of the world.

zorkie, funny you should say that. I was reading a Prof. Oz Almog opinion piece before where he says (in part)

It’s amazing how closely 1933 resembles 2006. The world was then taken aback by a dictator who took power over Germany, a peculiar character almost comical (The Great Dictator by Charley Chaplin, Remember?). He developed a satanic ideology whose goal was to wipe the free world off the face of the earth. Even the President of Iran Ahmadinejad is depicted in the eyes of many as no more than a violent thug who cannot control his words. But he, as Hitler, is not marginal and he is not alone. He is being followed by masses of fanatics, who have replaced the Zig Heil with the call Allahu Akbar.

How can one expect to have one's judgement respected when they celebrate not knowing what they're talking about?

joem, and then we wonder why Max panics...

So what's new? Israel can do no right in the eyes of the world.

The Jews are stealing oxygen. Stop them!

I'm aware of the anti-semitism. I'm aware that much of the modern version stems from the establishment of the Israel state in not-so-friendly soil following World War II.

Revisionist history. The Grand Mufti of Egypt was a favored guest of Herr Hitler during the mid-thirties - before they started up the ovens. While Hitler had no fondness for the Arabs, he did want to join in common cause with them for the erradication of the Jews. There's lots of pictures of them together and even a 'top secret'letter from Herr Hitler to the Mufti.

Have you ever noticed how mass rallies of the Islamofascists 'coincidentally' use the Hitler salute?

Regarding Arab children, they of course are not to blame. Nonetheless, most are steeped in hatred from an early age. You'll surely have seen scores of photographs of tykes wearing mock bomb vests and carrying mock or in some cases, real guns. Moreover, if you're really sincere, you'll take the time to view 'Obsession - Radical Islam's War on the West', available at: http://tinyurl.com/q5nqt
There you'll see a little girl who first says her age, (3 1/2) and then goes on to say that Jews are pigs and monkeys - a lesson she learned according to her own words, from the Koran.

Deny it as you will - fundamentalist Islam is a cult of death and hatred. It must be erradicated for the rest of us to live in peace. Our current world has deep resemblence with the 1930's and the appeasement of Neville Chamberlain

I am on dial-up, but don't need to say much because so many of y'all have hit the nails on the heads perfectly :)

Cottage life is great, and my bed is beside the beer fridge - what more could you want from life?

Hi Trillian, it's good to see you :-)

RWC, you do know what the words in your picture say, don't you?

Oh, oh, oh...joy, and I didn't even have to ask anyone! I have two 24 K rings that are too worn to wear now, due to be recast as a single new signet style ring...and those Hebrew letters are going on it (to replace the "Kay-sicci" on there now in Hangul...means S.O.B., my ex-wife's idea of humor :-)

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Aish has a good synopsis of Lebanon: Myths and Facts

It happens every time. Israel is forced into a defensive war, and winds up defending itself against canards of aggression and excessive force. Around the water cooler and on talk radio, Israel's supporters are put on the spot: Why are so many Lebanese civilians being killed? Why the destruction of so much infrastructure? Can't Israel show some restraint?

So let's sort out fact from fiction -- for the sake of Israel, and for ourselves.

...

That the fridge be full of cold beer :)

Well, someone should come over to my house and pick up the stuff hubby's class left behind. I dont' drink, so it's just sitting there.

I made dinner for them one night, and they asked, "What should we bring?" I replied, "How about drinks?"

By "drinks" they thought I meant "beer". Lots of it. Not a soda in the bunch.

Hi Trillian, L'chaim to you :-) Have one on me and for me, will you?

And now goodnight in the annie household, before any little ones wake up... Layla tov to one and all.

thank you

You've just revealed to the whole world just how ignorant you are of history. Or of what constitutes a crime. Congratulations.

Rikzter -

Spiny Norman's inclusion of "/need I?" means he was being sarcastic.

Very.