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Posted by Lyana on Jun 02, 2006 9:54 am

5 comments, latest by Aridog at 3:36 pm 6/2

#1 Lyana at 9:55 am on Jun 02, 2006

A contrite U.S. Army Corps of Engineers took responsibility Thursday for the flooding of New Orleans by Hurricane Katrina and said the levees failed because they were built in a disjointed fashion using outdated data.

"This is the first time that the Corps has had to stand up and say, `We've had a catastrophic failure,'" Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, the Corps chief, said as the agency issued a 6,000-page-plus report on the disaster on Day 1 of the new hurricane season.

The Corps said it will use the lessons it has learned to build better flood defenses.

"Words alone will not restore trust in the Corps," Strock said...


#2 Ed Mahmoud abu Lets go Make the GOMEX Yellow at 10:28 am on Jun 02, 2006

Pat Robertson has the demonstrated power to deflect hurricanes. Or maybe that was Jerry Falwell.

I blame whichever one it was who neglected to use his power of prayer to deflect the storm.


#3 Aridog at 12:10 pm on Jun 02, 2006

Whizbang has only about half the story. The scapegoat half.

Follow the money, where it went and where it didn't arrive, or was deleted. Strock is a Lieutenant General, the head of the Corps, a MACOM, but hardly senior in the Army, and hardly the head of appropriations and budget allocations. He was handed his sword and told to fall on it. He is not the first to have to do so.

Do a little research on "O&M" (Operations & Maintenance) funding over the past decade or two regarding NOLA levees. If you think the local Commander's could play Chicken Little over the past decade, you must think they want their careers to end abruptly. Check out those that did...see the next paragraph.

While you're at it research the funding for the upper Mississippi flood mitigation program....soundly trashed by a miscreant economist ex-employee not long ago...e.g., "wisdom" is that nothing major is needed for 25 years...that's not the Corps talking, that is the critics who the Corps was forced to follow...told directly not to be "agressive" in future planning. Another total river flood like the early 90's and NOLA is toast, worse than Katrina, and only dodged the bullet in the 90's due to pure good luck and mitigation of the river's force before it got to NOLA.

Yes, there is a reason the levees were for shit, but if you think it was because the Corps staff in NOLA, who live there, was negligent, think again. Keep cutting the Corps staff and appropriations, it'll get even better. When you run reductions in staffing, Corps wide, guess who gits gone...the experienced people, and you wind up with cake eaters in charge. Have fun Y'awl. You're just about there now.

#4 Lyana at 3:05 pm on Jun 02, 2006

He was handed his sword and told to fall on it. He is not the first to have to do so.


Aridog, I was wondering about that. That, and if this "admission" would give people the ability to sue for negligence.

With the levels of bureaucracy that exist, it's a wonder that anything gets done remotely close to right.

#5 Aridog at 3:36 pm on Jun 02, 2006

#4 Lyana

He was handed his sword and told to fall on it. He is not the first to have to do so.


Aridog, I was wondering about that. That, and if this "admission" would give people the ability to sue for negligence.

With the levels of bureaucracy that exist, it's a wonder that anything gets done remotely close to right.


Negligence lawsuit, I doubt it.

It's no longer just the bureaucracy, it is the process...the Process has become the Product, and there is no product.

Even the logic used by Whizbang is flawed. The levees' proximate cause of failure was the high water levels caused by Katrina. Now they're experts on wall placement...without once ever had to place a single piece of sheet pile...read the "rules" for that sometime...let alone place them in a bog.

LTG Strock has been sacrificed just as his predecessors were over the upper Missisippi issue. Throw enough shit in to the fan blades, it soon spaltters the whole room. Gotta blame somebody, why not the last guy in line...heaven forbid you think the dumb mother fuckers who insist on living there have any responsibility, in a nation with as little open land as we have, mind you.

What is outright amazing is how many times NOLA did NOT flood. The whole of the Mississippi River system is geared to protect NOLA, one way or the other, left unchecked NOLA would have been gone 50 years ago.

Any Dildo brained academic "engineer" can theorize and postulate, in their vacuum, but take that perfect plan, sell it to all of the various interests, from environmental to state economic interests, then sell it to Congress, and once whittled down to a magnitude acceptable to all those, run it through the contracting process. Voila'...the silk purse plan is built as the pigs ear....and the last guy in line gets blamed....and well he should, right...everyone knows a hardtack and water budget produces caviar and champagne maintenance.

BTW...HERE IS what you can build when the hassle is removed and money is no object. Never happen here.


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