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It's now OK in the UK for Muslim Women to kill their babies.
filed on Apr 21, 2006 6:26 pm
28 comments, latest by floranista at 7:59 pm 4/23
#1 M-Max at 6:27 pm on Apr 21, 2006
Next thing you know, it will be OK to the Brits is these same Muslims murder Jews.

Oh, wait.....
#2 Fay at 6:34 pm on Apr 21, 2006
Unfuckingbelievable.

How does violently shaking a baby have anything to do with culture or religion, for pete's sake.

#3 M-Max at 6:35 pm on Apr 21, 2006
#2 Fay
Unfuckingbelievable.

How does violently shaking a baby have anything to do with culture or religion, for pete's sake.



But, who are we to judge cultures, given our backgrounds as Zionazi imperialists?

/Need I add this?
#4 Fay at 6:39 pm on Apr 21, 2006
#3 M-Max


But, who are we to judge cultures, given our backgrounds as Zionazi imperialists?

/Need I add this?
Well the Judge in this case is letting his leftist racism show by not expecting the same level of acceptable moral and lawful behaviour of this woman because she's not white.
#5 Marine Momma at 6:42 pm on Apr 21, 2006
I read the first few sentences and can't go anymore. Culture has NOTHING to do with abusing a child, NOTHING.
#6 Lyana at 6:55 pm on Apr 21, 2006
How far Britain has come from from the days of moral certainty:

Gen. Sir Charles Napier:
"You say it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."

He wasn't very culturally sensitive, was he...

#7 airforcewife at 6:59 pm on Apr 21, 2006
But, Lyana! He wasn't showing any respect to the culture of the area he was suppressing! After all, it's totally understandable that they would want to continue their traditions. Who are we to judge them, after all; we're not perfect ourselves!

//puke
#8 Lyana at 7:06 pm on Apr 21, 2006
#7 airforcewife
But, Lyana! He wasn't showing any respect to the culture of the area he was suppressing! After all, it's totally understandable that they would want to continue their traditions. Who are we to judge them, after all; we're not perfect ourselves!

//puke

Yup. Once you establish that different peoples in the same country will be judged by different laws, you're done as a nation...

#9 Alastair at 9:24 pm on Apr 21, 2006
I don't like this reactionary style of reporting you have Michelle, which has worked in creating the virtual lynching mob.

I further more find it extremely worrying that there is a tone of anti-Muslim sentiment in this article, whether meant or not.

Why is it you thought that it was because the woman in question was a Muslim, that she was not jailed, and not because of the circumstances surrounding her. I realise it would be easy to jump the preverbial gun and indicate, without any facts that current religious tentions crept into the judge’s decision, but please, get real!

I do not condone the woman’s actions, far from it. I find the story horrible, much like the way you've commented upon it.

The post reads like indirect rabble raising to me.
#10 Lewis at 10:04 pm on Apr 21, 2006
#9 Alastair

Why is it you thought that it was because the woman in question was a Muslim, that she was not jailed, and not because of the circumstances surrounding her.


Golly, Alastair, I can't imagine what might lead one to that conclusion ...

But the judge said that Khanom’s strong cultural and religious beliefs, and the fact that she had been forced by her husband to live in isolation since coming to Britain from Bangladesh, meant that there were exceptional circumstances in her case.


And this is not Michelle Malkin's blog, by the way.

#11 Pamela Παμελα at 10:30 pm on Apr 21, 2006
this woman should have been committed against her will via a court order to a mental asylum for the rest of her life.
#12 Edward at 3:46 am on Apr 22, 2006
I would point out that she wasn't acquitted. She got a prison sentence, but it was suspended on the understanding that, not possessing a criminal mind and with her beliefs rectified, no purpose would be served by sending her to prison.

It's not as if she's likely to pose any kind of threat from now on, so why compound one wrong with another?
#13 CCR at 4:07 am on Apr 22, 2006
I'd be a lot more optimistic if this really was a widespread phenomenon among muslims.
#14 Dave Ray at 4:18 am on Apr 22, 2006
Edward.

Khanom was given an 18-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, after admitting one count of cruelty to a person under the age of 16.



What? Are you seriously expecting Malkin to cut and paste (or Max to mention) that part of the piece?

#15 floranista at 4:26 am on Apr 22, 2006

It's not as if she's likely to pose any kind of threat from now on, so why compound one wrong with another?

So, by your logic, there should be no prison terms for murder/manslaughter/child abuse as it "wrong"?

#16 Cynic at 4:35 am on Apr 22, 2006

What? Are you seriously expecting Malkin to cut and paste (or Max to mention) that part of the piece?



Seeing the topic is as it is how about all those honor killings (more than 100 I believe) that the British police won't investigate for certain cultural reasons?

#17 levi from queens at 5:23 am on Apr 22, 2006
#5 Marine Momma
I read the first few sentences and can't go anymore. Culture has NOTHING to do with abusing a child, NOTHING.
Most people who abuse their babies are first-time parents who are totally isolated which this lady was. All parents make mistakes, but isolated parents do not understand how to avoid them. There is a different class of longterm abusers whom need to be imprisoned and separated from all contact with children, but this lady doesn't seem in that class. It sounds to me as if she had mistaken child-rearing notions and no way to invalidate them before she killed her baby.

I am not sure this judge didn't do the correct thing -- assuming he also did something to stop the husband from totally isolating his wife.
#18 Edward at 5:41 am on Apr 22, 2006
#15 floranista

It's not as if she's likely to pose any kind of threat from now on, so why compound one wrong with another?

So, by your logic, there should be no prison terms for murder/manslaughter/child abuse as it "wrong"?



Most cases are going to involve either some malice, or some evidence that future harm might result from letting the criminal return immediately to society. In such cases, of course a custodial sentence would be appropriate.

But if you can tell me what purpose would be served by committing a frightened, isolated, uneducated woman to prison for a crime committed through ignorance, then I'd be happy to consider it.
#19 levi from queens at 6:17 am on Apr 22, 2006

He added: “On the last occasion the prosecution accepted that the child was doing well and thankfully had passed the developmental milestones expected of him.”

link

The heading for this post is inaccurate.

#20 cba γβα גבא ابت вба at 6:26 am on Apr 22, 2006

The heading for this post is inaccurate.

It's bigel, what do you expect?

#21 mauro at 6:51 am on Apr 22, 2006

It's not as if she's likely to pose any kind of threat from now on

just don't put her anywhere near a crying child?

#22 floranista at 4:38 pm on Apr 22, 2006
#18 Edward


Most cases are going to involve either some malice, or some evidence that future harm might result from letting the criminal return immediately to society. In such cases, of course a custodial sentence would be appropriate.

But if you can tell me what purpose would be served by committing a frightened, isolated, uneducated woman to prison for a crime committed through ignorance, then I'd be happy to consider it.

Infants are the most vulnerable members of our society. We need to protect them, not the people who inflict injury or death upon them. When they are repeatedly abused, it is my opinion that the abuser should serve time to understand the serious nature of their actions. She thought she was exorcising a demon? Perhaps. She still knew what she was doing was harming the infant. She was found to be mentally sound.

The injuries inflicted on the child over several weeks had caused one side of his brain to shrink. It was believed that the boy would have been screaming in agony for eight weeks because his injuries went untreated.

Fright and isolation is no excuse for doing this to a 5 month-old baby.

#23 levi from queens at 5:09 pm on Apr 22, 2006
28 years ago, I had a new baby. I was the only person whom I knew (other than my then-wife) who had children. The course of my life until then was to gain progressively greater control over my circumstances. When a baby arrives, that completely reverses when this small creature's needs become paramount. The only people we knew who knew anything at all about children were our parents.

I remember, incredibly clearly, walking around our dining room one day with the crying baby, having gone through my entire repertoire of infant-quieting activities. The thought came to me to throw the baby against the wall just to get some quiet. I, obviously, didn't do it; but at that moment I came to understand why people with lesser resources do so. The clarity of the memory comes from my horror at what I contemplated momentarily.

This woman has had clearly explained to her, by the majesty of the law, the gravity of her misdeeds. She does not seem to me to be a long term abuser, just somebody, perhaps of lesser abilities, who failed in the face of circumstances outside of her experience and resources. First-time parents need the assistance and advice of old wives and their tales.
#24 floranista at 5:23 pm on Apr 22, 2006
I appreciate your telling of your own experience, levi. It sounds very painful. I agree that new parents need all the support they can get.

Thank you for your honesty and viewpoint.
#25 cba γβα גבא ابت вба at 5:46 pm on Apr 22, 2006
levi, I remember a similar moment when my first was three weeks old. I hadn't had much sleep in those first three weeks (maybe an hour or two here and there--if I was lucky I'd total five hours out of 24, in three separate snatches).

But then she had a growth spurt and was nursing every two hours for an hour a time, and in between she wasn't very happy. Every time I put my head down she started crying. I maybe got 10 minutes sleep in 36 hours (after being sleep-deprived to start with).

I remember thinking that if I just put a pillow over her face I wouldn't hear the cries.

Luckily, even in my zombie-like state, I realised what would have happened, so I put her in her crib, walked out the room, and let her cry until the next feeding.

And this week is her final week as an undergraduate, so I guess it's a good job I didn't smother her ;-)
#26 levi from queens at 5:54 pm on Apr 22, 2006
cba-- ah sleep deprivation. I remember when my ex-wife and I both worked full time and I also went to school full time and sleep was incredibly precious. When home, we wanted the baby to nap. He slept in a crib with walls four feet off of a hardwood floor. I still remember the first time he showed up in our bed after being left to nap. I didn't believe it. The second time, I came to understand that he had total control of limiting my sleeping time. I still don't understand how he climbed over those crib walls and hit the floor without killing himself. He is now a 28 year old lawyer in a big NYC firm (planning to leave for public interest law)
#27 bloggaru at 7:34 pm on Apr 23, 2006
outrageous, cant let this happen

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#28 floranista at 7:59 pm on Apr 23, 2006
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