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Anyway, who cares? - I sure don't. Oh, yeah - you're the one who said Germany will still exist in a thousand years..
On it's own it won't be, but it's part of a larger trend.
Damn you've got a good memory.
Anyway, Germany WILL still exist in a thousand years (nothing special about that figure, btw, I just plucked it out of thin air). The German race will die out only if something fairly drastic isn't done to reverse current trends. But something will be, we all know what Germans are like. Just because you're pretty sure that the fire brigade is going to come and put out a fire, is not a reason not to yell "fire!" in the first place. That's what makes them come!
Of course they're not. That's us Anglo-Celtic-Maori mongrels. Germans are just "Slav lite".
No-one seriously believes in Nazi-era racial science any more. You're basically attacking a straw man by harping on about the blonde-hair/blue-eyed Nordic "ideal" (which was all it was, and "ideal"). That doesn't change the fact that race is real, in the sense that unique genetic combinations exist amongst certain populations. This is not subject to debate. Lewontin's thesis that race is a social construct and that genetic variation within races is as great as that between them has been debunked.
I can't tell you WHY different genetic threads of humanity have inherent value and are worth preserving, because if that isn't obvious to you I can no more persuade you of it than I can tell you why it's a bad thing for a sub-species of owl to die out, or for a species of plant to disappear forever. You either value humanity's genetic and cultural inheritence and want to preserve or you don't. But stop trying to tell me that it's not real.
RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE
So then, French are a race, and Danes are a race, and Bulgarians are a race, and let's not forget the race of Luxemburg. Thanks for clearing that up.
Because sparrows are distinct species, does that mean they're not birds? Because the Iberian peninsula is a distint geographical feature, does that mean it's not part of Europe? Do you understand the idea of "sets" and "supersets"?
BTW, it's worth highlighting that Germans are not dying out because they're getting "blended out" through "race-mixing" (which is the usual red herring that racial preservationist get distracted by). They're dying out because they're not having kids. Too much immigrantion is a problem because it short-circuits the feedback mechanisms (e.g. economic decline) by which their society would realise that the whole "not having kids" thing is unsustainable in the long term. Low birthrate produces labour shortages, but they cover it up with a sticking plaster by importing immigrant workers. It's like if you're hungry and too tired to work, you just pop a pill to suppress your hunger pangs and hire someone else to do the work for you. It might seem like a solution, but eventually you'll die of starvation.
You might say "who cares if Germans die out, there's plenty of other people". Well, if sparrows went extinct, you could always say "who cares? there's plenty of other birds". But I like sparrows!
It was just an analogy for crying out loud. The Iberian peninsula isn't a species of animal either, is it?
Are you implying that a population has to be a distinct species before it merits preservation? Why is a sub-population of a species with unique sets or combinations of genetic traits not worth preserving?
I'm not sure how I define race, which is why I'm not standing on very firm ground with this argument, but I know I certainly don't define race in such a way as to consider Germans a separate race.
Nor are Minnesota Swedes, ya you betcha :-D
I would go further and say that the Endangered Species Act should not preserve every species, but should give more weight to larger creatures and to creatures which have a great difference to other critters. The snowy owl loses here. He is largish, but there are numerous other similar and more successful closely-related owl populations.
German culture with Mozart and Goethe and Beethoven was magnificent. The 40's left it feeling less worthy of preservation as itself. I suspect that the loss of confidence in the value of Germanness has had an impact on the procreation of Germans.
Perhaps it means that chickens should value their eggs a bit more? And humans their genetic inheritence? At any rate, they should stop consulting the fox about how to run the henhouse.
This is part of what the Leroi-link addressed. Lewontin's fallacy is that he only considers genes at an individual level when contemplating the idea of "race", when race is more properly thought of as a set of genes that correlate with each other and appear in certain combinations. If you mix the genes into the surviving population the genes are split up and that unique combination is lost. Also, Germans aren't mixing that much, they're just not having kids (or not enough) so the genes are just plain dying out.
I read your link given in #10 which I found quite informative. I notice that Leroi (love the name) seems to identify five major races at the world level, but then uses the word more casually to identify much smaller groupings like the Basques.
I'm not doubting the reality of "race" but I'm not sure about the Germans being one. I'm thinking "tribe" is a better way of mapping the genetic contours of Europe - Ukranians and certain Poles and Prussians, people from the Baltic to Kiev, seem to be quite related ("Slav-lite" indeed). Bavarians and Lombards in another group.
I have a friend who went to Germany more than ten years ago. He's quite "Germanic" - a Saxon mother's son, he could have played the part of Ivanhoe. His family seems to have invaded England somewhere prior to the 10th century, however, and so is not covered by Germany's "law of return".
Oh, and one last thing about the Leroi article - what is the SSRC? I'd feel a bit better about them if I hadn't noticed that they posted the Leroi article on Hitler's birthday...
They're just becoming Turks.
Right Martin?
With all your talk of the white race, why do I get this feeling that a computer geek like you probably dates mostly Asian women?
LOL! Because that's my privelage!
Speaking of subspecies, did you hear that there's a project to revive the Quagga by selective breeding of plains zebra? Apparently you sometimes can get back a lost subspecies if you have enough time and money to throw at it.
Didn't the Allies already beat you to it?
I always wonder what they google to find us. Maybe zorkie or ev will let us know.
I always wonder what they google to find us. Maybe zorkie or ev will let us know.
German race dying out has DL as the number one Google hit.
{spanking cheese moonbat "Second and Final"} would probably yield a good position.
A new variation on googlewhacking!
I always wonder what they google to find us. Maybe zorkie or ev will let us know.
Try "floranista" and see what happens...
The two timing hussy!
The two timing hussy!
Oh dear... there's even more that you don't know about, then.
The two timing hussy!
Where do you think I got the recipe for kittie litter rum balls?
But I have lost the recipe since then... :(