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Reconstruction vs. Iraq – the Klan vs. Al Qaeda – America lost to the terrorists last time; why won’t that happen again?
In America’s last effort at dealing with terrorism--Reconstruction following the Civil War--the terrorists won. I intend to stretch an analogy here way beyond what I ought.
Following the Civil War, the southern planter class was dispossessed, broke, and badly bloodied. Northern troops occupied the South, and they were needed to protect the former slaves. Like Iraq, there were three major ethnic groups in the south, first the coastal/piedmont planters who traced their forebears to the royalist side of the English Civil War and then back to the Normans. They dominated the pre-war politics of the United States, with 7 of the first 15 presidents born in Virginia, most of the Supreme Court from the South, and with a blocking veto of Congress through control of half the Senate seats. The Scotch-Irish hailed from Ulster and the north of England, lived in the mountains, and were substantially more loyal in the Civil War than the coastal/piedmont people. There were pro-union white people scattered through the south. The freedmen were uniformly staunchly pro-union and made up a majority of many of the southern states; so they could look towards electoral control. There-- you have the Arab Sunni as the Normans, the coastal and piedmont whites, the Shia as the freedmen, and the hill-dwelling Kurds as the Scotch-Irish.
President Johnson, a virulent racist, refused to protect the Freedmen from 1865 to 1868. In the late 1860’s, 20% of Louisiana’s young Black men were murdered (per NPR). The Klan formed as an ostensibly-Christian organization from Confederate veterans and proceeded to terrorize people who got in the way of restoring the old elite’s dominance. It met at night, wore stupid costumes, burned crosses, lynched some people, and murdered others. The Klan however had no suicide bombers and no foreign fighters. The Union occupying army was not gentle and was widely resented. Grant followed Johnson as president in 1868 and was uncompromising in standing up for Black rights.. For a period of time, Blacks participated strongly in southern politics. The 14th amendment intended, among other things, to make certain that Blacks had the right to bear arms in self-defense. Two major civil rights bills passed Congress and became law, one signed by Grant and the other over the veto of Johnson, which, if enforced, would have made the Civil Rights Act of 1964 unnecessary. Grant vigorously enforced them. But by ten years after the war, essentially all of the pro-union southern white people outside of the mountains had either been driven out, become silent, or been killed. Grant did not run for a 3rd term in 1876; and a Democrat apparently barely beat Republican, Rutherford B. Hayes. The Compromise of 1876 allowed Hayes to take office in exchange for removal of the U.S. troops from the South.
At this point, the Klan hit its stride and, over a period of a quarter century, reasserted the dominance of the southern planter class. The southern aristocracy never regained its hold on the White House as it became the home of Ohioans and New Yorkers. But they gained absolute control of southern local and state politics. The Black majorities in South Carolina, Louisiana, Georgia, Mississippi, etc. dissipated as ambitious Blacks took the long bus trip north. The terrorists were absolutely certain that their control was fitting and proper, and that any deviation from it was morally wrong. Jim Crow did not come from the business classes (why would they wish to mistreat customers?), but was forced onto all southerners by legislation, regulation, and terror.
Grant tried for a third term in 1880, but narrowly failed to get the nomination and died a few years later. New immigrants to the north provided a reliable bloc of Democratic votes who were notably less pledged to equal rights for Blacks than the aging Republican Union vets and their children. Black voting in the South steadily fell until it essentially disappeared as literacy tests, poll taxes, and terror destroyed the Black franchise. The southern planter class did dominate Congress through the first two-thirds of the 20th century. They now had more congressional seats than in the ante-bellum as the freedmen counted fully in the apportionment of seats, even if denied the vote. The southern elite also suffered no electoral opposition so they gained enormous power from the seniority system. Anti-lynching laws fell to the filibuster. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 removed the president’s ability to send the army to enforce the law in most cases absent the request of the governor. The Supreme Court pulled the teeth from the Civil Rights Acts. The one southern-born president, the execrable Wilson, resegregated the national government.
The Klan itself never really became a national force. Two or three times it increased in membership to the millions and seemed on the verge of becoming a national force. Each such time, its treasurer fortunately chose to steal its treasury and run off to Brazil with a mistress. Corruption has its virtues.
This all paints a pretty gloomy picture for Iraq, suggesting that, if the analogy holds, eventually the Baathist revanchists will win. The most important asset that the Southerners had was their absolute certainty in the righteousness of their cause allowing them to struggle for decades. You have to be really really sure you are the good guy to act like a beast. A major part of this certainty grew out of the rising tide of Darwinism in the late 1800’s, which popularly held that better species succeed by mortal struggle. (FWIW, Darwin himself was probably not a racist and was certainly anti-slavery) The South clearly saw their victory over Reconstruction in Darwinian terms – reasserting the “natural" control of the “fitter" white race. The world-wide zeitgeist of the late 1800’s moved away from the Enlightenment and Christianity and towards racialism, eugenics, and militarism. The civil rights of Blacks were not restored until after these racialist doctrines lost all credibility with the horrific maraudings of the Axis in WWII.
Fortunately, major differences also abide. First the Shia make up a material portion of the new Iraqi army and are well-armed and well-trained. While there were 300,000 freedmen in the Union Army, they all served under white officers. Secondly, the terrorists of Saddam Hussein’s old army never formed anywhere near as fearsome a military machine as the Confederate Army. Third, there is no rising zeitgeist for a return to Stalinism or the Taliban; instead Freedom and Democracy march. The Kurds are materially more hostile to Sunni dominance than were the Scotch-Irish to the planter class. I cannot imagine the Iraqi Shias getting on buses en masse for Teheran or Ankara. The internet permits communications both between anti-terrorist Iraqi loyalists who do not feel as isolated as pro-U.S. people in the postwar South (and also to a lesser extent between terrorists).
On the other hand, the terrorists in Iraq have the advantages of financing from abroad and receiving a steady stream of foreign recruits. The terrorists receive substantial encouragement from the main-stream American/European media, the Arab media, and academia. While in the late 1800’s the newspapers of the North (the MSM of the time) were largely loyal, academia in the late 1800’s- early 1900’s worked to justify slavery.
All of this suggests to me that the trial of Saddam Hussein is crucial to victory through denying to the terrorists and their supporters the moral high ground. It also suggests that the strategy of building a new Iraqi army and police force is both correct and central. And lastly it suggests that the new media’s (Fox, NRO, WaTimes, NYSun, and the blogosphere, etc.) support of both Iraqi bloggers and the liberation of Iraq transcends entertainment to stand as defense.
186 comments, latest by סטרמי Stormiسترمي at 1:43 am 10/23
Very interesting analogies, levi. Well thought out post, thank you.
Let us not forget that the KKK was the invention of the Democratic party. Most former slaves were Republicans for years after the civil war.
Levi....Excellant post and excellant conclusions.
Thanks ari and zork and texanista.
Levi...the American Civil War and post war history is probably my favorite period. It can be confounding to non-Americans, and you have managed to concisely and accurately frame it better than most of the other examples I have read. It explains very well the basis for West Virginia's founding, and why West Virginia was in fact formed in the midst of the Civil War, and admitted to the Union in 1863, even though it is south of the Mason-Dixon Line.
Slavery came about mostly as a result of greed and not racism... the first Africans came here as indentured servants for a limited term and only after they were here awhile and the value of their efforts were realized did there begin to be proposals to "extend" their terms of servanthood. I'm sure the first arguement for doing so was one of cost and practicality... i.e. "it cost more once they got here so we need more time to recover the expenses...." ect. Europe is the primary source of Racism as we know it and it is from there that most of the racist ideas have developed and propogated.
As an aside I hope everyone here is praying for and helping MM... She really needs us right now.
No question but that greed informed racism in the formation of American (and all other) slavery. I do think that racism (or at least ethnocentrism) is natural -- it did not come from Europe but is found world-wide. Remember from Little Big Man that the Shawnee word for Shawnee was human being.
thanks tex, i need them all
I will pray for you again this evening Marine Momma. Good luck and keep your head high no matter the outcome tomorrow. You are a child of God with a vibrant heart and a clear head.
thanks levi, hopefully the magistrate will agree.
The name of EVERY people is ALWAYS translated as "The People"... No matter nationality or ethnicity. That's a primary linguistic and psychological fact.
texanista -- I'm not quite sure I understand you here. As a child (and as today) my people were Americans. We have never translated people as Americans. Going back ten or so generations to Englishmen, I do not ever recall reading of a time when Englishmen's word for men or people or humans was Englishmen. I think I am missing part of your context.
USA have already lost. It was a losing battle from the start. Soon they will bow out without any achievement.
Who are you jamal? At this point the USA is clearly winning. The Baathists are out of power and utterly despised by the mass of Iraqis and all decent people. The terrorists run and cower and hide in holes and never dare to stand up in public. they recruit miserable people to blow themselves up and smuggle little bombs into roadways to murder children. Meanwhile, the Iraqis, alone among the Arabs, can choose who governs them. Who are you?
nevermind... I'll put something together later on when I have the time.
This is a troll. I fear my use of the alternic "Whome" humorously, without checking Goggle for other use, may have been noticed by a phisher over there.
See: The real Whome
I am going to bite my knuckles for a while now.
British syntax.
Levi from Queens....
A question has been bouncing around in my brain since college days. How many of the college social Fraternities, many based in the south, were derivative or connected in some way to the KKK or other similar organizations?
Aridog -- dunno -- best guess is zero. All closed societies have some similarities; they need not have relations.
Zorkie is our expert on greeks, and I am not even sure there is a K in Greek (or is there a Kappa Kappa Kappa fraternity? -(Kappa Kappa Kappa sorority would feel like it had to be a bevy of dyKes))
Levi...a fare number were founded in 1865, at places like the Citadel. Now I'm curious, so I will pursue it. I was an ATO and a whole lot of good old "Otis's" stuff was pretty prejudicial. Our chapter stayed in trouble with National because we sort of ignored their asses.
aridog - 1865 is suggestive -- let me know what you find.
We have a kappa in Greek. It's right after iota and before lambda.
OT: new Bloggie feature! Clicking "reply" no longer nests the previous reply, leading to a much cleaner situation.
Give the boy a kiss. Smooch.
Examples from this thread:
Levi...the American Civil War and post war history is probably my favorite period. It can be confounding to non-Americans, and you have managed to concisely and accurately frame it better than most of the other examples I have read. It explains very well the basis for West Virginia's founding, and why West Virginia was in fact formed in the midst of the Civil War, and admitted to the Union in 1863, even though it is south of the Mason-Dixon Line.
This is a troll. I fear my use of the alternic "Whome" humorously, without checking Goggle for other use, may have been noticed by a phisher over there.
See: The real Whome
I am going to bite my knuckles for a while now.
British syntax.
Heh. This is awesome.
Heh. This is awesome.
I thought we were supposed to use the hippo if we wanted to go OT????
And now the replies don't nest, how are we going to draw cute boxes?
There is/was a sorority Kappa Kappa Alpha.....a very nice group of young (lucious & rich) ladies if I recall....at least where I went.
The C-level executives and the Board of Directors are exempt from most rules around here ;-)
Heh. This is awesome.
In most cases, it's better this way.. I guess I can always nest manually, if I
neededwanted to ..cba, you're clearly spoiled! Just cut and paste! :-)
joem is here! Let the l'chayming commence! Cheers, joem :-)
Cheers, ev, zorkie, cba, bloggie!
Heh. This is awesome.
Cute boxes for cba..
Cheers comrades :-)
Cheers, zorkie, bloggie, and everyone!
I gave a kiss and I'm ignored. If anyone complains about being ignored ever again, I'll... I'll... I'll do something very mean to you!
Ignore us? :-)
Ignore us? :-)
Yes!
Meanwhile cheers again :-) (to drown our sorrows and all that)
Hey! You didn't feel me pushing my cheek back against your face?! I'm the one who feels ignored! With limp little wimp kisses like this, you have demands. Ach...
Do 2 ignores equal one pay attention to?
(k) darling :-)
LOL!!!
I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today...
I will gladly pay you neversday for a donation to my retainer today...
Uh, That'd be the 2nd Tuesday of next week, right?
LOL!
Cheers again! But I'm not long for bed. I have to go to traffic court tomorrow. :(
That sucks. What
are you accused ofdid you do?Your teeth crooked?
//...sounds like somebody else is on the Remy Martin snark juice.
Cheers again! But I'm not long for bed. I have to go to traffic court tomorrow. :(
Uh-oh... Ticket?
Yes, of course.
Your teeth crooked?
//...sounds like somebody else is on the Remy Martin snark juice.
My teeth? No, my story is what's crooked :-D
Uh-oh... Ticket?
yup. "Reckless driving". It'll cost me $393 (and about 3 hours) to not get points on my license..
Cheers again! But I'm not long for bed. I have to go to traffic court tomorrow. :(
Ah, yes...the Court of Guilty Until Proven Innocent.
As a youth of 20 something, I once was stopped on Michigan Highway M-115 for going 115 mph at 3:00 AM or so....nice Trooper asked me if I thought he highway marker was the speed limit sign? I was sobber, so he follwoed me to a coffe shop and bought me a coffe. Ticket was for 30 over, 85 in a 55, not 60 over as it could have been. I'd still be waiting for my license back otherwise.
Ah, yes...the Court of Guilty Until Proven Innocent.
As a youth of 20 something, I once was stopped on Michigan Highway M-115 for going 115 mph at 3:00 AM or so....nice Trooper asked me if I thought he highway marker was the speed limit sign? I was sobber, so he follwoed me to a coffe shop and bought me a coffe. Ticket was for 30 over, 85 in a 55, not 60 over as it could have been. I'd still be waiting for my license back otherwise.
I was just doing 40 in a 25 (late for carpool pickup).
I've gotten one traffic ticket, for not wearing a seatbelt. I've gotten a couple of parking tickets, one just as I was running to put more money in the meter. He was heartless, the cop.
Meter-maids are jerks, for the most part.
I finally bit the bullet and ordered me up a digital camera (this one). Hopefully it'll get here in time for me to take some Menorah pictures..
Generally when I am sobber, the cops don't believe me. Not that I am ordinarily all that credible either. Would you like to discuss the history of Reconstruction and how it applies to the modern world in lieu of giving me a ticket?
joem, nice! Mazel tov.
levi, LOL!!!
I can't even claim I got only one ticket at a time. At the age of 23 I managed 24 violation points in one year...the Judge was duly amazed at the hearing about suspending my license. I lost. His notation about my Olds 442 with 400+ HP didn't help much.
aridog, lol!! Amazing that he still let you drive.
He didn't. Even laughed about it in front of me...like he was going to put a lunatic back on any road. Got my license back 6 months later.
How long were you suspended for? (and did that slow you down?)
ok, my timing is still impeccable..
Good night, everyone!
Wow, I just went to go to bed, and found one of the Menorah lights is still burning! (we lit ~8 hours ago..) It's a miracle! :-)
He didn't. Even laughed about it in front of me...like he was going to put a lunatic back on any road. Got my license back 6 months later.
Oops, I missed that part :-)
The funniest parking incident I've been a part of was in Salonica a couple of years ago. I was passing by an intersection and a car had parked right in the corner, on the sidewalk (very common in Greece.) What was uncommon is that there was a traffic cop right there inspecting the car. In Greece, doctors have a special sticker on their cars, so they're exempt from parking regulations, so he was looking to see if there was a doctor's sticker and there wasn't. I was walking by and the cop goes "Psst, miss! What do you think, should I give this guy a ticket or not?" I laughed and told him that yes he should. And he did :-)
Joem....
Oh, yeah...the alternative was jail.
How cool! My mom had lit the candili on Christmas day and it burned for 12 hours. We were really impressed too, it usually doesn't last that long. Do you use a candle or oil?
Olive oil. :-)
G'night who ever is left. Dogs have crashed, finally, and so I must take advantage of the lull.
Olive oil. :-)
That's what we put in the kandili too :-)
Good night you guys, sleep well.
G'night.
Heh. This is awesome.
Cute boxes for cba..Thanks, joem. You're a pal.
And I over-deleted.
Wow, cba - you really broke this thread.. Too many <div> tags ..
This'll have to wait for zevorkie to wake up to be fixed..
(I mean too many </div> tags.)
oh, boy .. am I in trouble now ...
Hee, hee....I didn't do it this time.
This isn't really my fault .. I used the symbols for GT and LT to enclose the tags .. But they are rendering as real < and > on the most recent comments and screwing up everything..
I didn't do it. In fact, I wasn't even here.
LOL, Jefe!
time
for
a
bunch
of
Sorry, my fault... I deleted more than I should.
Too early in the morning.
meaningless
comments
short posts?
to
try
Can I...
clean
this
up
...blame ev for calling me lazy?
That's what made me manually delete.
Yeah, blame ev! That's the ticket.
joem, I'd help you add short posts (not that anyone ever helps ME when I need it) but I've gotta run, my ride's about to leave.
LOL!
Seems
to be
One more quick one...
not working...
...the ride's making his lunch now :-(
Are you miscreants molesting bloggie again?
Stormi....#113....of course we are, *somebody* made a boo boo. Not me this time.
Zorkie will ride in to rescue bloggie shortly I am sure....
#115 Aridog
I thought this was zorkie ...
Huh? WTH happened on this thread? I can't see any problem with the comments becasue Joem and CBA have hidden the evidence tidied the place up before Ev & Zorkie get back. But the comment box is GINORMOUS! It takes up the whole width of the screen! and only on this thread. There doesn't seem to be any reason for that because the comments look normal width. So now I shall post this and see if it shrinks my comment box back to normal.
Joem and CBA have
hidden the evidencetidied the place up before Ev & Zorkie get back.But the comment box is still terribly bloated. Must have eaten one too many Xmas lunches. Time to hit a different thread :-)
BTW This was a very enlightening post Levi. Thanks.
I'm at work, so I'm looking at bloggie in Internet Exploder. And let me tell you, bloggie's ass looks huge in these pants.
If I was at home with my beloved Opera, I'm sure I wouldn't be having this problem.
Hi Stormi, how are you?
Well, Marine Momma, I'm at work, and work sucks.
But it's almost time for going home.
How are you?
doing alright. have to go to court soon, talk to you guys later
Good luck Marine Momma.
I'm just back from court. Went as expected - but only 1 hour.
(Covering my eyes; I don't want to see the image Frank posts for that comment ..)
Yeah, I'm afraid you would.. but maybe zorkie or ev will wake up before then..
Yikes.
Yikes, indeed.
How are you today, my sweet oogly-boogly Aggie cuddlepunkin? And when will you be giving back my boots?
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Seriously, I want to vomit and choke to death on it now.
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Better, though I'm looking forward to getting a good night's sleep tonight. :P
Your boots are in the mail.
You can all bear witness to my vow: I promise I will never, ever, ever ever EVER again (except this one last time) utter, write, type or dictate the phrase 'sweet oogly-boogly Aggie cuddlepunkin'. Not even under torture, pain of death, or being threatened with listening to 'N Sync records.
Looks like Chicago either starts as rain or quickly changes to rain, but joyously, a change to snow Friday night, with a quick 5 to 10 cm accumulation as storm ends.
Note NAM also suggests light snow in Times Square for ball-drop.
GFS also suggests light rain changing to snow before ball-drop.
((((((((((((Stormi)))))))))))))))
Well, I finally got around to reading the original post.
Nice work, levi.
I'd venture to say that the support that they receive from the media (especially the US media) is far more damaging to our efforts than the financial support. The money, after all, is coming from their trusty allies.
Fortunately- for the terrorists- the media regularly comes out on their side; depicting them as the good guys and the US as the bad guys.
What is it, again, that they say about the media over at the other place?
#124 joem
Good morning you naughty bloggie people.
LMAO!!
I should learn. I really should. Everytime there's some kind of messed up nickname, I ought to know by now that it's you. Cheeky monkey mixer, you.
@ oggly boogly cuddlepunkin'
You've got to stop hugging Stormi - it's making the main page go all flooky.
Yay, thanks for the snow, Ed!
Once again, Ed gives snow to evariste and I get zilch. I think Ed is gay.
LOL!!
levi, you got linked by Wizbang, congratulations :-)
(Thanks RIP Ford :-)
thanks zorkie and RIP Ford. I was actually afraid nobody had read it despite the 141 comments.
Not a problem zorkie.
From what I recall, immediately after the Civil War the North imposed a eligibility requirement for holding office. No one who participated in the Confederacy, whether buy fighting or monetarily supporting the cause, could hold office. In most of the South, the percentage of men disqualified would easily reach 60-70%, perhaps even higher, of the voter age male population. The Federal Government always sided with the Pro Union state government, no matter what the cause, and this led to some very domineering governors that were very unpopular with the general public.
(Texas went as far as stripping the position of Governor of all power after reconstruction)
In addition, the Southerners viewed the imposed legislation as hypocrisy, as most of the Northern States had no such laws themselves and no intention of following suit.
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Like I said, I could be way off on this. Does any of it ring true?
Congratulations Levi.
Evidently I get it right now and then, like the blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.
Your post really is excellant, concise and to the point.
RIP F.-- It all rings true, although amnesty for confederate veterans was widespread by 1872. Only General Lee, a few others, and those who would not apply were not granted it. (Lee got it with the Nam protestors in the Ford administration about 1978). The 60-70% would have been of the white male population. The proportion would have been more like 30-40% of the male population, and women could not vote. I believe that people who served in the confederate army were similarly stripped of the vote in the North (but I could be wrong, there weren't that many of them-- mostly in Md., Ky., and W. Va.) These laws seem similar to me to the debaathification laws in iraq today and the denazification laws in the Occupation of Germany after WWII.
Military governments are never popular. Nobody in Japan would dispute that the MacArthur regency did great things for Japan, but the period is remembered as a period of suffering.
The white South suffered during Reconstruction. During the war, new sources of cotton were found (particularly Egypt) destroying the value of their mainstay crop; and then the boll weevil arrived. The roads and railroads and bridges were destroyed. With the main agricultural crop gone and their few factories destroyed and their young men decimated, it was a difficult time. That said, the suffering of the white South was a pale shadow of the suffering and violence imposed with Jim Crow.
Most definitely.
Interestingly, for me at least, Texas was spared most of the economic misery with the timely birth of the cattle drive.
aridog -- I just sent you a thank you e-mail and had it kicked back with this message:
but thank you.
Levi....
How true. I have seldom been "naively shocked" in my life, but I definitely was on my first road trip south in 1961. I had heard about various aspects of Jim Crow, even the separated drinking fountains, from black playmates I had while growing up. In my grand delusions of the freshman year in college I was sure these things had been resolved and it was ancient history. I certainly knew progressive southerners who vacationed in norhtern Michigan in summers. Man oh man, was I wrong. I have never forgotten it.
And I have never forgotten how easy it is to be just flat out blind assed wrong about something that in fact is all around you.
Levi,
A well put together piece. Your depth of knowledge of the juxtaposed events is quite good. When I was 15, Jim Crow was the law of the land. When I was 16, it was a dead issue. The structure was gone but the emotion remained (s). Fortunately, the last gasp of the Confederacy may have been may have been exposed in the aftermath of Katrina. The planter class is now to be found in the neo-cons. Their song and dance is wearing thin. The mess they have created in southwest Asia will boil over, reduce to a simmer and then pass. I feel that it will take a generation to end the conflict and another generation to find another way. By then I will have begun my second hundred years.
LB
Lantern Bearer -- I see zero similarity between the planter class and the neocons. What do you see? I would see a far greater similarity between the neocons and the abolitionists.
LB said...
"Fortunately, the last gasp of the Confederacy may have been may have been exposed in the aftermath of Katrina."
It would seem to me that New Orleans is instead the last gasp of the "New Society" socialism that led the "War on Poverty". In some areas, at least, poverty won. How long has it been since Louisiana had a Republican Governor or New Orleans had a Republican Mayor? Who are these mysterious liberal neo-cons? The whole "Everything is Bushs Fault" theme has worn so thin it is transparently a lie.
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ev/zorkie--I'm guessing that "Jone" and "Joanne" and "Pirson" and "Sirgey" and "kitten" just want to bump up the links to their own sites. Is that how it works?
Yeah, poor things.
:-)
Yay zorkie!
See, I told you guys that Roy Nagin was a white Republican racist pig... but would you listen to lil' ol ME....
One of the little secrets of the CSA is that they fought as hard as, if not harder than, the USA in keeping their own states/regions from seceeding.
As in West Virginia, many of the upland areas of the south wanted nothing to do with the plantations and slavery of the lowlands. IIRC that there were secession/retrocession movements in Eastern Tennessee and other areas.
Also, many Southerners (typically non-land-owning whites) joined Sherman in his "march to the sea".
Zap.
What is it about this thread that attracts the spammers?
I dunno, joem, but I'm glad they stick to their six favorite threads.
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Yoo-hoo! Spam alert!
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You hate it when Zorkie and Ev get their egos stroked, admit it, cba.
;)
;)
And it satisfies my sadistic streak that they themselves have to delete those nice comments.
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Actually, I just wanted them to leave the comment, but kill the link to the spammer's web site (see ev's comment from the other day).
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Amazing.
Ev must have spilled that damned fruity cologne he uses all the time.
Uhhh... well, I guess we do have quite a few hams here : )
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Sounds like you and #178 Jone oughta hook up and party down sometime.
Seems like you've got a lot in common.
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LOL. What's not to love.
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Rare late October severe weather outbreak, with damaging gusty winds, possible eastern New York/New England
That's tough for you. We ate Sandra last week with some fava beans and a nice chianti.