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Joining the Freemasons
We've had a post about the Freemasons before and a very interesting discussion followed. I find the mystery that envelops this "society with secrets" fascinating and I like their creed, one's actions are as important as one's faith or intentions. Dustin Erwin is a 26-year-old graduate student at the University of San Francisco and he explains how and why he became a member of the Freemasons.
Practically every major city in America has a Masonic temple, often a grand structure featuring an ornate stone facade, towering columns and a sprawling interior. However, exactly what goes on behind closed doors remains a mystery to most outsiders. The Freemasons, an international fraternal organization, are known for keeping their activities secret.

For centuries, that penchant for secrecy has fueled countless conspiracy theories -- Masons have been accused of everything from plotting world domination to acting as an agent of the pope. In recent years, the novelist Dan Brown has drawn heavily on Masonic lore and symbolism in his best-selling novels "Angels and Demons" and "The Da Vinci Code."

Although the organization maintains no particular religious affiliation, its largely aging male membership -- there are a few women, too -- does espouse certain ideals of a metaphysical nature. Masons live by a moral code that emphasizes charity and community service.
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The Garden in Winter
For a long time I didn't realize that there were many beautiful plants I could add to my garden for interest in the winter. Although I find the starkness of bare trees against a snowy background to be a wonderful sight, I knew I couldn't replicate that in the space I had. Then I found a wonderful little book by noted nurseryman Daniel Hinkley, Winter Ornamentals; I would highly recommend it to anyone in the Northwest or zones 7 and below.

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Santa, the Barbie Murderer
Macabre Christmas Display Makes Statement
Joel Krupnik and Mildred Castellanos decked the front of their Manhattan mansion this year with a scene that includes a knife-wielding 5-foot-tall St. Nick and a tree full of decapitated Barbie dolls. Hidden partly behind a tree, the merry old elf grasps a disembodied doll's head with fake blood streaming from its eye sockets.

In a telephone interview Wednesday, Krupnik explained that his family thought it would be a fun way to make a comment about the commercialization and secularization of Christmas.

"It is a religious holiday, but they have turned it into a business. And it shouldn't be," he said. "We didn't put it up to offend anybody. It was just something that came out of our imagination."
Tacky imagination, but okay. As the Greeks say, "Περί ορέξεως, κολοκυθόπιτα" (translating as "in regards to taste, pumpkin pie") which means that everyone has different tastes and we can't judge people on their tastes and... uh... Anyway, it's a Greek saying.

Speaking of tacky Christmas decorations, I finally watched Christmas with the Kranks. It was good, bad and funny and I felt I really should have a snowman on my roof. Thankfully, the feeling went away shortly after the movie ended.
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Rumsfeld plans to gut the military
Defense Secretary Rumsfeld wants to cut at least 51,500 troops from the Air Force and National Guard, and scale back plans to expand the active-duty Army by 30,000 soldiers. I'll repeat a quote from a previous entry:

discarded lies: A crank hits on the truth.
If some foreign country had visited this sort of destruction on America's military, historians would call it an huge defeat. Apparently Rumsfeld isn't satisfied to have presided over the biggest terrorist attack in history, an unnecessary war in Mesopotamia, and the unraveling of the western alliance. Now he wants to bequeath to his successors a denuded defense posture that invites countries like China to begin competing again in the conventional measures of military power where America was thought to be supreme.
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'The days of denial must end'
The sickness bequeathed by the west to the Muslim world
We can deny it no longer: the virus of anti-semitism has infected the Muslim world. And virus it is, for Jew-hatred on this scale, as Christian Europe can testify, is a kind of sickness. This is one of the grossest legacies bequeathed by the west: that Muslims have taken to heart a form of anti-semitism alien to their own lands, borrowing a language and iconography that was made in Christendom. Blood libels and the Protocols were dreamed up in Norwich, Mainz or Moscow - yet now they breathe anew in Cairo, Riyadh and Damascus.

This represents a menace to Jews, of course, but also a tragedy for Muslims. Theirs is a tradition that historically valued learning, and when an ignoramus like Ahmadinejad denies the overwhelming weight of historical evidence he makes a mockery of that tradition. In a period Jews still look back on as a golden age, Muslims were the people of scholarship, of science, of tolerance and coexistence - a contrast with the Crusader barbarians. Yet now many lap up the myths and lies that were once fed to the peasants of Europe, lies which endured through to the last century - and which led all the way to Treblinka.
I don't know how this will end and I don't know how one can change the hardened minds and hearts of millions of people. As Freedland said, "a man who refuses to believe the historic truth is capable of anything". Ahmadinejad is capable of anything and very soon he'll have nuclear weapons in his hands.

(a thimbleful of cognac to Jerusalem Posts)
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A conversation on torture
(Part of an interesting conversation between us, a few days ago on IM. Presented for your voyeuristic enjoyment.)

zorkie: How can "waterboarding" not be torture?
In "waterboarding," a detainee is strapped down, dunked under water and made to believe that he might be drowned.

Before leaving Washington for Europe on Monday, Rice defended U.S. treatment of terrorism suspects. She did not directly address the allegation that the CIA has run secret prisons in Eastern Europe, however, she reaffirmed the United States does not use torture.

ABC News cited intelligence officers as saying that Rice could say that because of a presidential finding that approved "enhanced interrogation techniques," which the United States has said are not torture. These include sleep deprivation and waterboarding.
evariste: It's not torture because it does no damage to any major organ system and does not put the person in any danger of their life. That's the US definition of torture, as long as if after the torture you're completely intact (other than mentally) you weren't tortured.

zorkie: So beating is not torture either as long as it doesnt damage any major organs?

evariste: You can slap a detainee, according to CIA protocol, but no punching or kicking, no leaving bruises and no hitting soft abdominal organs at all. It's pretty hard to beat anyone and not violate the guideline, so they stick to slapping. Waterboarding is really quite clever, it's a mind hack that gets to the primitive mind and short-circuits any anti-interrogation/anti-torture training the detainee may have had. Their primitive hindbrain really believes they're going to drown no matter what their conscious mind thinks, so they immediately will do anything to stop it. The longest anyone ever lasted under waterboarding was one of al Qaeda's top guys, Khalid Shaykh Mohammad. he lasted 2 and a half minutes. the CIA guys really admired him for lasting so long. The average CIA agent lasts less than 30 seconds.

zorkie: So you mean they can hold their breath for 30 seconds and he could hold his breath for 2 and a half minutes?

evariste: It's not a matter of holding the breath, it's a matter of overriding your brain's desperate signal that you are about to die. Most people can hold their breath a lot longer than they can resist waterboarding. Plus: when you're being waterboarded, you don't know when it's going to start. You have no chance to take a breath and hold it to prepare yourself. You can't see anything. at any random moment they choose, they start, and you're totally unprepared unless you were really lucky in when you chose to hold your breath. No one's really that lucky, because they have you at a disadvantage: you can't see them, but they can see you. They can time it perfectly.

zorkie: It sounds like torture. They did this at medieval times too.

evariste: It is torture! It's humane torture because you walk away from it without any permanent damage, but it's torture for sure.

zorkie: Ah, ok. I thought you said it wasnt torture.

evariste: I mean, they make all CIA interrogators go through waterboarding themselves, so it's not something they wouldn't be willing to have happen to them. No, I said the US doesn't define it as torture! I definitely call it torture, but i have no problem with it. Sometimes you need to do desperate and brutal things. If the guy breaks, we save lives. If he doesn't break, it's not like we're gonna do anything else to him. And nobody doesn't break. In the end, he gets up and goes to his cell and eats a good meal and is pissed off that the Americans broke him. No big deal.

evariste: You KNOW consciously that you're not dying, this just short-circuits your conscious mind and brings you to the level of a terrified child.

zorkie: Why does the brain think they'll die, can't they tell by the second time or something that this is just to get them to talk?

evariste: No, the primitive reflex is too strong. the mind consists of lots of different systems and it "knows" because of evolution when it's in danger of dying. This just triggers that evolutionary instinct without actually ever coming close to killing someone. In other words, in the future, they could figure out a way to do the same thing without ever actually even using water. just plug it in the same way they plug in neural prosthetics for those mind-controlled computers and tell the brain it's dying. It'll do anything to get out of the situation.

evariste: I mean, the guy gets up and walks away like nothing happened, otherwise we wouldn't do it to our own CIA agents. But at that moment you're so terrified you'll do anything to make sure they don't make you think you're about to drown to death again. You may despise yourself for being so weak, but you have no control over yourself when they reach that low down into your primitive hindbrain. It's like terrifying any animal, there's no point in the process where the conscious mind can override the overwhelming fear of death.

zorkie: Very troubling.

evariste: Well, terrorists are very troubling. If you catch a guy like Khalid Sheikh Mohammad who knows exactly where and when the next mass casualty terrorist attack is going to happen, you'll do anything to save thousands to millions of lives. We have no idea how many people's lives were saved by waterboarding him, but he broke the same way they all do, so we know that lives were definitely saved.

zorkie: I would think they would be able to do it with some sort of drugs.

evariste: Nope, there are no drugs. It's a popular myth that truth drugs exist, but the very best of them are still ineffective to a determined opponent. Basically all they do is make you something like "drunk," you're babbly, but if you're determined to lie or not tell, you won't. Waterboarding short-circuits the conscious mind and makes the fear of dying override any other concern. Even a suicide bomber couldn't resist waterboarding, because as brainwashed as they are to die, it's still an extremely terrifying experience. If you actually have the fortitude to withstand it the first time, the second time will be too much to bear because you'll already know exactly how horrible it felt and that you're about to feel it again.

zorkie: How long do they leave them in the water?

evariste: I think about 15 seconds. They don't actually dip their heads in water, what they do is seesaw them so their nose is facing up, then start pouring water into their nose. It's a lot more terrifying than simply being dunked, because when you're dunked you can imagine getting back out of the tub of water. when water is pouring down your nose with no sign of relief you have no way of knowing when it'll stop or if it'll stop, all you know is that it feels like you're dying. Wikipedia:
The current practice of waterboarding was known previously as "the water cure." It involves tying the victim to a board with the head lower than the feet so that he or she is unable to move. A piece of cloth is held tightly over the face, and water is poured onto the cloth. Breathing is extremely difficult and the victim will be in fear of imminent death by asphyxiation. However, it is relatively difficult to aspirate a large amount of water since the lungs are higher than the mouth, and the victim is unlikely actually to die if this is done by skilled torturers. Waterboarding is often used by torturers who wish to impose severe suffering without leaving marks on their victims as evidence.

This is a technique demonstrated on U.S. military personnel by other U.S. military personnel when they are being taught to resist enemy interrogations in the event of capture (see SERE). In November 2005, ABC News reported that former CIA agents claimed the CIA had engaged in a modern form of waterboarding, along with five other "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques," against captured high-value members of al Qaeda. [1]


evariste: So, I guess they do pour water on their face but no dunking in a tub of water.

zorkie: Severe suffering without marks.

evariste: Yes. These are the "harsh techniques" the CIA uses, according to ABC's confidential interviews with CIA agents:
1. The Attention Grab: The interrogator forcefully grabs the shirt front of the prisoner and shakes him.
2. Attention Slap: An open-handed slap aimed at causing pain and triggering fear.
3. The Belly Slap: A hard open-handed slap to the stomach. The aim is to cause pain, but not internal injury. Doctors consulted advised against using a punch, which could cause lasting internal damage.
4. Long Time Standing: This technique is described as among the most effective. Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor for more than 40 hours. Exhaustion and sleep deprivation are effective in yielding confessions.
5. The Cold Cell: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees. Throughout the time in the cell the prisoner is doused with cold water.
6. Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.


zorkie: If cellophane is wrapped around his face how does any water even get in?

evariste: It doesn't, just the feeling of it, I guess. According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess. So, apparently it works. At least one prisoner has died from the "cold cell" because the guards didn't notice he was becoming hypothermic. It was in Baghram Air Force Base in Afghanistan. That one really is torture of a kind I couldn't support but waterboarding, and sleep deprivation, honestly, fuck them. They're running around killing women and children and blowing up soldiers with IEDs, they can take a little waterboarding and sleep deprivation to make them talk. And the other "harsh interrogation techniques" are a joke-slaps on the belly, grabbing their shirt forcefully-whatever! Big deal. Bouncers do that in bars.
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If push comes to shove, is Japan on our side with Taiwan?
Japan's passive stance over Taiwan long gone
The conflict over the future of Taiwan is usually seen as a triangular struggle among China, which claims the island; Taiwan, where the majority seeks to retain its separation from the mainland; and the United States, which is Taiwan's security guarantor.

That is changing, contends a new study by the National Bureau of Asian Research, a nonpartisan institute in Seattle. It argues that the Taiwan question has become quadrangular, with Japan having become the fourth nation directly engaged in potentially the most explosive clash in Asia.

Japan's entry into the Taiwan issue is yet another indication of Tokyo's emergence as an activist in international relations in Asia after decades of a pacifist and passive stance in what the Japanese call "low posture."

Moreover, the study suggests that East Asia is becoming ever more divided into Chinese and American blocs.

Specifically, it says, "if a military confrontation occurred between the United States and China over Taiwan, U.S. policymakers can rest assured of Japan's support."

President Bush seemed to underscore Japan's new position on Taiwan last month by including warm praise for Taiwan in a speech given in Kyoto, Japan's ancient capital. He applauded Taiwan for having "moved from repression to democracy as it liberalized its economy."

Without naming Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, the autocrat who ruled Taiwan from 1949 until his death in 1975, Bush lauded the people of Taiwan for being "free and democratic and prosperous."

The Chinese, who insist that the Taiwan issue is an internal question of no concern to America, were not pleased.
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