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zorkmidden in Discarded Lies:
Up Yours, Customer!
And the customer service award does NOT go to ...
Until recently, LaChania Govan's complaints about Comcast's service seemed relatively tame. The 25-year-old Elgin mother of two said she was put on hold, disconnected, even transferred to the Spanish language line.

But after persistent problems with her digital recording system forced her to make dozens of calls to the cable company in July, her August bill came with a change really worth complaining about: In place of her name were the words "Bitch Dog."
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zorkmidden in Discarded Lies:
Iraqis Vent Rage
Guest Author: Travis

I read this line from an Iraqi citizen calling in to a TV news program, responding to the most recent bombings, and it caused a few conflicting emotions and thoughts.
"These men that kill 100, 50 and 70 men a day -- have they been put to death," said a caller named Abu Abbas. "How many have been put to death? How many? The National Assembly is supposed to represent the Iraqi people. All I hear is we will do this and we will do that." link
I felt an extreme sense of genuine anger and frustration emanating from these words, but at the same time realized the importance of their ability to be said. This is a voice that *must* be listened to, by Iraqis and Americans alike. This is the voice of the Iraqi we are fighting for, the voice of a man we should all be fighting for. A common man, frustrated and confused at what he cannot understand. This is who our military fights for and everything depends on us understanding this.

I also thought for a split second, "How can I, as the birds are chirping outside my window, as people walk the street with no fear, understand what this man feels?" And then I thought, if I will not care, then everything is useless and nothing matters, and this is, to use a phrase which I will use correctly for once, "what the terrorists want."
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zorkmidden in Discarded Lies:
Christianity in Europe
Does the word "Christian" have the same meaning in the US as it does in Europe? I think that Europeans are mostly Christian by tradition whereas Americans are Christian by choice: Religion takes a back seat in Western Europe
Every major religion except Islam is declining in Western Europe, according to the Center for the Study on Global Christianity at the Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Mass. The drop is most evident in France, Sweden and the Netherlands, where church attendance is less than 10% in some areas.
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zorkmidden in Discarded Lies:
Our Hearts Are With You
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon praised the troops for showing "great sensitivity" in the operation.

He said he had been moved to tears at the sight of settlers being taken from their homes, but warned them not to vent their anger on the troops.

"I want to appeal to everyone not to attack the police and ... soldiers and not to blame them or make things difficult for them," Mr Sharon said in a televised address.

"Attack me. I am responsible for this. Attack me. Blame me."
I don't even blame you, Mr Sharon, I blame bloodthirsty murderers.

Israel expels Gaza Strip settlers
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evariste in Discarded Lies:
MEMRI spotlights a true strong moderate cleric in Saudi
This guy's great. Sounds like the real deal.
Recently, Al-'Abikan stated that the Jihad in Iraq is not legitimate according to Shari'a (Islamic religious law). In a May 27, 2005 interview, he told the Saudi daily Al-Riyadh that there was "no Jihad" in Iraq and that nothing was to be gained by the fighting there that was being called "Jihad."

According to Al-'Abikan, the fighters blowing themselves up with explosive belts or car bombs are carrying out suicide operations, not martyrdom operations. He also clarified that killing during these operations was not an act of war, but an act of treachery – because for the most part, the target was peaceful people, which is forbidden by Shari'a.

Al-'Abikan further said that in a time of occupation, an attempt must be made to remove the occupier by peaceful means, without bloodshed. [1]

In response to the interviewer's question about whether or not the war in Iraq constituted resistance to an occupier, Al-'Abikan explained: "There is a difference between Jihad for the sake of defense which is conditional upon the permission of the ruler, and Jihad for the sake of defense which is not. Jihad for the sake of defense which does not require the ruler's permission is waged when a man is attacked in his home with the aim of killing him, taking his property, or harming his honor. However, in the case of an overall occupation, which is aimed at seizing overall control, the Shari'a does not say that the occupier is to be fought; it says that there must be an attempt to remove the [occupying] ruler by peaceful means which do not entail bloodshed."

In response to another question, about whether Iraqis' defense of their besieged cities constituted legitimate Jihad, Al-'Abikan added: "Whoever says that the Americans are killing everyone or besieging every house – it isn't so, because the siege is in specific neighborhoods in which the people who carry out explosions and kill Americans and those who help them have barricaded themselves. When Allah instructed us to kill the attacker, the meaning was [in the context of] a defensive war by those who are attacked; [the meaning was not people] who attack and then barricade themselves – for someone like this is not considered to be defending his life, nor is he considered a warrior of Jihad for the sake of defense." [2]

Al-'Abikan made similar comments during a May 17, 2005, symposium in Riyadh: "I am not saying that Jihad should be abolished. But there are rules for Jihad, and only expert religious scholars are permitted to issue fatwa s on this issue. [The decision to wage] Jihad is in the hands of the rulers, and none [other]. What is happening in Iraq does not strengthen [the claim] that it is resistance. Everyone there engages in corruption and harms women's honor, under the guise of Jihad." [3]

Al-'Abikan has also expressed criticism of religious scholars who issued fatwa s calling for waging Jihad in Iraq. In an interview, he told the Saudi daily Al-Riyadh that these scholars were dissenters and sinners, who should stand trial for the damage they had caused to Iraq because of such fatwa s. This damage, he said, has taken the form of civil war, damage to the security of Iraq's residents, and the destruction of public and private buildings. Even Iraq's residents, he said, are against the presence of foreign resistance elements who have come to wage Jihad: "Several Iraqis have called us [i.e. the Saudis] to say: 'We do not want Saudis, Jordanians, Egyptians, and others coming to us. Get them away from us. They have aroused problems here and undermined security – and all we want is security.'" [4]

On another occasion, he said that these scholars who issue these fatwa s would not be exonerated of the crimes they have caused, which include killing, destruction, devastation, and civil war. [5]
That's very nice, but what does he think about Israel?
"At first, some Palestinians sold their homes and lands to Jews, a long time ago, and then the Jews had a place of their own, and later a very small state, before the West Bank and the Gaza Strip [were occupied]. Matters became complicated, and UN soldiers from a few countries were stationed there. These forces separated between the Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and between the Jews in the Israeli State.

"Who made them start their expansionism? History is very clear about this. President Jamal 'Abd Al-Nasser is the one who started it by telling [the UN forces]: 'Get out and we will throw them into the sea. We will throw the Jews into the sea.' I tell you the problem is that those who caused the destruction were Muslims. I heard him when I was small. He said in his speeches, 'Let's throw them into the sea.' Afterwards… the forces left. He told those forces to leave. He is the one who began fighting the Jews, and then there was defeat.

"When some Arabs began fighting the Jews, they took over the West Bank and Gaza. We know that after the Jews took the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, things stabilized: There was no killing and we didn't hear a thing. Later, there was… Some people with interests brought troubles upon them. It started with all [the talk about] 'the children of the stones'… We would always hear about 'the children of the stones.' As if adults weren't even involved. Only the children: 'the children of the stones… the children of the stones…'

"Things developed. At first it was merely stones and such, and then it developed into destroying houses, killing people, and using weapons. Later, things got worse. This is what caused [former Saudi mufti] Sheikh 'Abd Al-'Aziz ibn Baz to say, 'You must make peace.' But they did not respond."
Holy shnike. This guy is Saudi?!
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kianb in Pahlaver:
The Other Side Of Bush
It turned out that George Bush has a heart after all.
The grieving room was arranged like a doctor's office. The families and loved ones of 33 soldiers killed in Iraq or Afghanistan were summoned to a large waiting area at Fort Bragg, N.C. For three hours, they were rotated through five private rooms, where they met with President George W. Bush, accompanied by two Secret Service men and a photographer. Because the walls were thin, the families awaiting their turn could hear the crying inside.

President Bush was wearing "a huge smile," but his eyes were red and he looked drained by the time he got to the last widow, Crystal Owen, a third-grade schoolteacher who had lost her husband in Iraq. "Tell me about Mike," he said immediately. "I don't want my husband's death to be in vain," she told him. The president apologized repeatedly for her husband's death. When Owen began to cry, Bush grabbed her hands. "Don't worry, don't worry," he said, though his choking voice suggested that he had worries of his own. The president and the widow hugged. "It felt like he could have been my dad," Owen recalled to NEWSWEEK. "It was like we were old friends. It almost makes me sad. In a way, I wish he weren't the president, just so I could talk to him all the time."
'I'm So Sorry'
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