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Hey there! Do you support your homosexual friends and family but have some reservations about the "gay rights" movement?

Do you perhaps believe in the right of gays and lesbians to serve openly in the U.S. military, but not necessarily in all units, and only if they put esprit de corps ahead of "personal empowerment"?

Do you privately suspect that gay sex and gay relationships might sometimes be okay with G-d, and sometimes not, and do you resent it when believers and non-believers on either side of the issue try to pigeonhole you?

If you answered "Yes" to any of the above questions, or have other viewpoints in the same vein that you think I overlooked, then this is the thread for you! Dive in and describe your views...

I will post a longer, "Read More" header later this evening, after I've had my weekly bath, but you can go ahead and post comments now.

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evariste in Discarded Lies:
'araby for 'ivrit speakers
The Jerusalem Report has a cool story about an Israeli program to get Jewish kids to learn Arabic at younger ages. Right now Arabic is supposedly mandatory in grades 7 thru 10, but because of budgetary constraints and disinterest, less than half the students in a given year take it. This program is bringing Arabic language instruction to fifth and sixth graders, which is good because the younger you start learning a foreign language, the better. They're also teaching a more practical form of Arabic than the fus-ha taught in the government curriculum. Fus-ha is classical Arabic, and if you understand it you can read everything written in Arabic, from the Jahiliyya (pre-Islamic) Arab poets, to the Qur'an, to modern books and periodicals. 3aamma is "common" Arabic, or the local dialect as spoken, which tends to take a lot of shortcuts and liberties with the strict rules of fus-ha and can indeed, as the article states, almost be considered another language. So the route they're taking is to teach a form of "communication" Arabic that'll help the kids both speak on the street, and understand what's on TV and in the newspapers and magazines.

In Jordan there's a huge appetite to learn Hebrew because everyone thinks "hey, it's just Arabic but a little different". My grandpa could put together sentences because he often traveled to the West Bank. In mountainous areas, some people can catch a fuzzy, faint Israeli tv signal on their sets, and they try to learn Hebrew by watching it.
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zorkmidden in Discarded Lies:
Girls Only
In accordance with the latest gender sensitivity training seminars, this thread is for girls only. If you're a boy, you should be out there digging ditches and not lurking or commenting on some girlie thread.

On second thought, screw it. Bring chocolates and come right in. We might even let you paint our toenails.

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evariste in Discarded Lies:
DHS threat assessment document ignores right-wing domestic terrorists
From Congressional Quarterly (or more stylishly, "CQ"): the Department of Homeland Security put out an internal threat assessment document that includes Al Qaeda and related terrorists, and left-wing "property" terrorists like ELF and animal rights terrorists, but neatly excludes right-wing terrorists, who are among the deadliest murderers of Americans. Why?
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) does not list right-wing domestic terrorists and terrorist groups on a document that appears to be an internal list of threats to the nation’s security.

According to the list — part of a draft planning document obtained by CQ Homeland Security — between now and 2011 DHS expects to contend primarily with adversaries such as al Qaeda and other foreign entities affiliated with the Islamic Jihad movement, as well as domestic radical Islamist groups.

It also lists left-wing domestic groups, such as the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF), as terrorist threats, but it does not mention anti-government groups, white supremacists and other radical right-wing movements, which have staged numerous terrorist attacks that have killed scores of Americans. Recent attacks on cars, businesses and property in Virginia, Oregon and California have been attributed to ELF.

DHS did not respond to repeated requests for comment or confirmation of the document’s authenticity.

The conspirators behind the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, which killed 168 people and wounded more than 500, were inspired by radical right-wing movements. Eric Rudolph, the man charged with carrying out the 1996 Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta, which killed one woman and injured more than 100, was a member of the radical anti-abortion group Army of God. Initially, Rudolph was the object of a massive North Carolina manhunt in connection with a Birmingham, Ala., abortion-clinic bombing that killed a police officer and seriously maimed a nurse.

Another Army of God member, James Kopp, was convicted in the 1998 shooting of a doctor who performed abortions.

Individuals affiliated with such groups have also been involved in many smaller terrorist acts, including mailing hundreds of bogus anthrax letters to abortion clinics, and in plots to obtain and use conventional, chemical and nuclear weapons against civilians. In 2003, for instance, a Texas man prosecutors say was a white supremacist and anti-government radical pleaded guilty to charges of possessing a weapon of mass destruction. Authorities had discovered enough sodium cyanide bombs to kill hundreds of people; machine guns and several hundred thousand rounds of ammunition; 60 pipe bombs; and remote-control explosive devices disguised as briefcases in a storage space he rented. The man, William J. Krar, was sentenced to 11 years in federal prison.

‘Still a Threat’

Domestic terror experts were surprised the department did not include right-wing groups on their list of adversaries.

“They are still a threat, and they will continue to be a threat," said Mike German, a 16-year undercover agent for the FBI who spent most of his career infiltrating radical right-wing groups. “If for some reason the government no longer considers them a threat, I think they will regret that," said German, who left the FBI last year. “Hopefully it’s an oversight."

James O. Ellis III, a senior terror researcher for the National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism (MIPT), said in a telephone interview Friday that whereas left-wing groups, which have been more active recently, have focused mainly on the destruction of property, right-wing groups have a much deadlier and more violent record and should be on the list. “The nature of the history of terrorism is that you will see acts in the name of [right-wing] causes in the future."
This sure smells fishy.
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evariste in Discarded Lies:
Moussaoui wanted to asphyxiate passengers
Daniel Pipes has some disturbing information, that Zacarias Moussaoui asked his instructors at flight school if an airplane pilot can shut off oxygen to his passengers. He showed many, many other signs of being totally unhinged, but look at how afraid people were to act on their instincts that were screaming trouble:
Prevost described Moussaoui as "just a weird duck," and said "there's really something wrong with this guy." Gordon reports that Alan McHale, Pan Am's manager of pilot training, put all these factors together and called Pan Am's headquarters to vent his suspicions, but a company salesman replied, "Alan, he's a paying customer. He paid. Leave him alone."

Official channels thus closed, Nelson and Sims separately decided to go the unofficial route and on their own initiative each called the FBI's Minneapolis office. Nelson reached Dave Rapp, a counterterrorism agent. "Here's my position," Nelson recalls telling Rapp, "I'm calling on a customer. I'm sticking my neck out. I'm going to either be a hero or a goat. ... If I'm wrong, it's probably going to cost me my job." He said he would "rather call and be wrong than not call and be right."

An hour or two later, FBI agents were at Pan Am's Eagen facility, inquiring about Moussaoui. He was arrested on August 17 on immigration charges. None of the other Al-Qaeda operatives was apprehended and Moussaoui alone sat in jail as his fellow pilot trainees hijacked four airliners on 9/11.

Comments: (1) How can one overlook this little touch, when Moussaoui wrote to the flight school, "After all we are in AMERICA, and everything is possible." Or that he denied being a Muslim. The cynicism and falsehood of the Islamists knows no bounds.

(2) In retrospect, it is awfully convenient that Moussaoui had immigration irregularities; how would law enforcement have kept him from his appointed rounds had he been legally clean?

(3) "I'm sticking my neck out. I'm going to either be a hero or a goat," said Nelson. He was perversely lucky that Moussaoui turned out to be an apprentice terrorist; for had he not been, Nelson could well have lost his job. But the rules need to change so that a person who suspects terrorism in the making does not pay such a price if his hunch turns out wrong.
Good question. It's good that law enforcement will often use the prosecution of immigration violations as a tool in the war on terror, but what if someone like Moussaoui was already a citizen?
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sine in The People's Diner:
May Flowers




zorkie's cupboard:

Yeah, like zorkie will ever stop complaining.

(Notice: nobody is to give zorkie any of the fancy stuff.)
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kianb in Pahlaver:
German Cranes help manufacturing Iran's Shahab Missile
The United States has sought clarification from Germany on the reported shipment of a German crane for possible use in Iran's missile program, a senior State Department official said Thursday.

"It's something we're following, something we're talking about," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. "We're in contact with the Germans abut it."

The weekly Der Spiegel magazine reported this week that Mizan Machine, a company blacklisted by the German authorities, bought a crane to help in the manufacture of Iran's Shahab missile.

It said customs authorities were not told about the deal until the freighter transporting the equipment left Germany. The ship was reported over the weekend to be at the entrance to the Suez Canal.

The US official said Washington was consulting with the Germans as part of the US-sponsored Proliferation Security Initiative, a global effort that aims to intercept shipments of weapons of mass destruction
US consults Germans on Iranian shipment
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zorkmidden in Discarded Lies:
Sharansky Quits Over Gaza Pullout
Sharansky quits Israel govt over Gaza pullout
"In my view, the disengagement plan is a tragic mistake that will exacerbate the conflict with the Palestinians, increase terrorism, and dim the prospects of forging a genuine peace," Sharansky said in an open letter to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

"I no longer feel that I can faithfully serve in a government whose central policy -- indeed, sole raison d'etre -- has become one to which I am so adamantly opposed," he added.
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zorkmidden in Discarded Lies:
Hotel Rwanda
I watched "Hotel Rwanda" yesterday and I cried my eyes out. I had read a few books about the genocide, We Wish to Inform You That Tomorrow We Will be Killed With Our Families, Speak Rwanda and Season of Blood: A Rwandan Journey. All three are excellent, well-written and very powerful and I highly recommended them. No book or film can portray the full extent of this horror but do watch "Hotel Rwanda" when you have a chance; it's a true story and it's incredibly moving.

And while on the subject of Rwanda, two French film directors are saying it's time that France recognizes how the Mitterrand government supported the leaders of a genocide that left a million people dead.
The film, which was largely shot in Rwanda and bits in the French capital Paris and UN Headquarters in New York, shows a strong direct military and political backing the French government gave to both the governments of Juvenal Habyarimana and Theodore Sindikubwabo, in the execution of the hundred-day mayhem.

It depicts a direct French military involvement in the 1990-94 war and Genocide, with the first arrival at Kigali International Airport (then Kanombe Airport) on October 4, 1990 - three days after RPA's invasion - of a contingent of French soldiers to bolster Habyarimana's forces after he had talked to Mitterrand by telephone.

It shows how the Mitterrand repeatedly denied his forces' involvement in the war, and yet in reality they were fighting alongside government forces in Cyumba and Kisaro (then Buyoga) districts in Byumba, Ruhengeri and Kibuye provinces.

The film also blames the slaughter of an estimated 50,000 Tutsis in Bisesero, Kibuye province - who had for weeks resisted the Interahamwe - on the arrival of French troops on June 28, 1994, under what was called 'Operation Zone Turquoise'.

"The French government should recognize what it did, come to Kigali and apologize," said Mezerette, adding: "The truth is far beyond what we say in the film."
allAfrica.com: Rwanda: Apologize for Genocide, French Film Directors Tell Paris
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zorkmidden in Discarded Lies:
Ireland and the Palestine Question, 1948-2004
Irish Jewish academic explains why his country is so anti-Israel
There’s an old joke in Ireland about the man in Belfast who, when asked his religion, answers simply that he is Jewish.

“That’s fine," his questioner replies. “But are you a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew?"

Though the joke appears to be aimed at Belfast tribalism, its real target is Irish parochialism — the tendency to view the outside world primarily in terms of local obsessions. The first appearance, a few years ago, of the Israeli and Palestinian national flags on the troubled streets of Northern Ireland was only the latest manifestation of this phenomenon.

It comes as little surprise, then, that Rory Miller, a Jewish Dubliner who lectures in Mediterranean studies at King’s College, London, has chosen to examine Ireland’s evolving policy toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in his new book, “Ireland and the Palestine Question, 1948-2004."

But instead of constructing Israel’s wars as Ireland’s “troubles" writ large, Miller’s book specifically seeks to challenge the Irish tendency to see the Middle East through a local prism.

“There’s never been anything on the Middle East and Ireland," he says. “It’s a hugely discussed issue here, it’s widely debated, yet the discussion is based on a significant amount of ignorance and prejudice. Nobody really knows the facts."
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