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The Camels of Norway
A refugee council in a small Norwegian town wants to import camels in order to help African refugees integrate into Norwegian society. I think this calls for a critical analysis and rigorous discussion of the following issues:

1) How do camels help integration?

2) How did previous generations of immigrants integrate without camels?

3) Do camels like snow?
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An issue of self-preservation
I was spending time reading the news stories this past week of just the latest atrocity committed by Islam’s “Holy Warriors" as I suspect most read also. There were 134 people immolated in suicide/mass murder attacks in Iraq as Islam’s finest added hash marks to their scorecards of death.

Ah, but wait. These were “martyrdom" operations, as many would posture them. It got me to thinking about how utterly foolish we Westerners are. We often attach the label of “zealot" or “fanatic" to Muslims who will slaughter their fellow human beings and thus consider that as promotion of their religious convictions if their actions can be ascribed to fighting the infidel. We Westerners really do need to listen to Islam’s message. We’re told everyday by pious, orthodox Muslims of their hatred and revulsion for our way of life. It’s clearly elucidated in the Koran and Sunna. This isn’t "fanatical" at all. Its core Islamic doctrine, practiced for centuries.
Therefore fight for the cause of God. You are accountable for none but yourself. Rouse the faithful: perchance God will overthrow the might of the unbelievers. Mightier is God and more terrible is His punishment. —Koran 4:84
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. —Koran 9:73
Let not the unbelievers think that they will ever get away. They have not the power so to do. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy, and others besides them who are unknown to you but known to God. All that you give in the cause of God shall be repaid to you. You shall not be wronged. —Koran 8:60
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and hypocrites, and deal sternly with them. —Koran 66:9
Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His apostle have forbidden, and do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. —Koran 9:29
Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous. —Koran 9:123
As a Gulf 1 vet, I personally witnessed another 75’er stand up on the battlefield and empty a full belt of ammo into an Iraqi bunker. His comrades were under fire and his position allowed him an uninterrupted angle to attack the enemy position. This was dangerous and life threatening but clearly not suicidal. There was no intent on his part to die a glorious death for god, it was a selfless, courageous and spontaneous act of a soldier protecting his fellow soldiers.

Suicide in the name of religion is not suicide, its martyrdom. Muslims have donated to humanity the sprawling, technological notion of “martyrdom" defined as the wholesale slaughtering of humans for their Own Damn Good. Suicide bombings, strapping explosives on children, etc., etc., it’s all part of our history that has come to define Islam. What a lovely world we live in.

The Islamic perception is that the self-inflicted martyrdom is a good thing. It used to be big in Christianity but now, for instance, a good example of modern "Christian persecution" is outlawing enforced prayer in school. Once upon a time, Christian persecution meant disembowelment, or being used as food for animals in gladiatorial games.

I think it is very obvious that Islam’s top to bottom, life defining qualities, has not and will not allow itself to be dragged out of its medieval thinking. That’s due to its inherent dynamics and the conscious desire of its adherents. That masses of people want to live under the strictures of a soul crushing and anti-human sharia is astonishing perhaps, but no more or less than that of the modern Christian still embracing miracles for which there are natural explanations. There's this dynamic of self-deception that goes hand in hand with most of the ancient religious beliefs vs. modern reality, and for the most part such deceptions are harmless. The damage arises when religious belief is molded to instill hate and fear. There's a direct cause-and-effect reason for this. You wish to breed a culture that has a complete sheep-like response to authority? Have them pray towards Mecca 5 times a day. Does this mean everyone who does such a thing is being brainwashed? No, there are other elements involved, but such repetition is a key requirement.

My take on death is this: I have a natural fear of it under certain circumstances. Let me illustrate: A close friend was diagnosed with melanoma at 33 years of age, and in the 5 months it took for him to die a miserable painful agonizing death in front of his 27 year old wife and his two daughters, one 7 and one 9 -- he was terrified.

This was a frightening, suck-ass and heartless way to die-- the pain and horror he endured was a nightmare, no appeals to Jesus changed a single thing, and he died less than three weeks before Christmas-- what a nice gift to his children. I do NOT wish to die that way. It's frightening, and the process of wrestling with one's mortality on an ongoing basis for months, always losing every battle, is mind numbingly terrifying.

Now someone else I knew casually a few years ago was on his way home from work when he was approached from behind and shot in the head. He died instantaneously. This I cannot see being a necessarily "bad" way to go (the human tragedy part of it was terrible of course, but I mean more in the physical sense of dying). I know I have no choice in the matter (I must die sometime), but I readily have no fear of being alive one second and dead the next as I won't have time to even register the fact that I am dead.

I think these martyr-murderers have squelched the issue of self-preservation (via their religion, which deceives them via a promise that cannot ever be proven to exist, i.e., paradise) and they are very much aware that being blown to bits pretty much snaps off the light switch with no time to register the fact that one is in pain or dead (academic argument, that last bit). Without getting into a theistic brawl, it is this aspect of all theisms, to successfully implant a goal without proof or evidence of any kind, that gives rise to the endless chain of death we humans are amazingly willing to inflict upon one another.

I believe our sentience has allowed us to explore. As you move further away from humans, you find corollaries of human behavior that resides in us still, that have proven successful evolutionarily throughout time, and are maintained, and you also see hints of where our sentience comes from. That's why we see a degree of self-awareness in chimpanzees but not at all in ants -- yet hierarchal structuring of both societies have similarities. Are there offshoots? Yes, nature is not perfect, and never has it been claimed it is, and what do we see? An imperfect nature, with a lot of starts and stops, successes and failures.

We have evolved a sense of survival, it is evident in almost every animal, and the methods to which we go to survive get more complex as -- surprise! -- the higher towards sentience you go. At the same time, we also see vestiges of self-sacrifice for the greater good, just like a lowly bee will sting an invader and die, for the greater good of the hive.

Also, why would god create mankind out of dust, give him sentience, a special place in the universe, and then give animals such similar abilities—just at a lower “wattage"? Yet more confusion, making it seem as though we evolved our characteristics from animals similar to us, who share 99.9% of our DNA, instead of humans being qualitatively different. Why would a god do this, particularly when the bible says man will have dominion over all beasts? What is more likely, that god purposely made these similarities so to confuse and confound us, or the story was set down within the limited parameters of knowledge of the natural world that existed at the time?

Nature has preprogrammed successful animals with a desire to survive, and once you add our ability to have a sentient perception of death, you have a formula for a more deep seated fear (at least, one that can be expressed by doing something more than just fleeing, like all other animals do). And, as I mentioned, I have a deep seated fear of death within certain circumstances.

After all, you can be a good person without giving two hoots about religion, as billions of non-religious people prove every day. Christians think this world was nothing but barbarians before Jesus-- when in actuality true barbarism sprung up rampantly after Jesus and his devoted fanatics started hacking at anyone who slightly disagreed with them (even the atrocities of the old testament pale in comparison to the holocausts, pogrom, wars and genocides that the teachings of Jesus has inspired). You think the Greeks burned old women because they were witches? The greatest library of all time-- the Library at Alexandria --was created by the Greek Ionians-- men who believed in Zeus. It took a Christian to destroy their works and literally set us back 2,000 years. For god. Who, according to the bible, hates knowledge so much he made it the one thing forbidden in Eden-- "ye shall eat of all things but not of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge -- for on that day, ye shall die" (they didn't die, as the serpent pointed out, they lived; God lied, Satan told the truth-- how ironic)

Now imagine a world where everyone was instructed on the foundations of critical thinking, where each child was encouraged to question the supportive evidence of authority, where we all understood that our senses, while always accurately reporting what is there, often do not give us enough information to arrive at correct and sound interpretations -- that we must always dig deeper and support the things we believe... Imagine that sort of a world.
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DeLay steps down as majority leader
After a long, sordid series of scandals, House majority leader Tom DeLay has decided to step down in the interests of the Republican party. The last straw was his involvement with disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who has turned out to be little more than a small-time crook cum mobster. The Republicans really needed to clean house.

I note that the Ap story quotes a facetious AP/Ipsos poll to the effect that most Americans would prefer a Democratic Congress. DB at Sweetness & Light has ably debunked this bullshit rigged poll.
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